Posted on 08/13/2007 7:13:07 AM PDT by flowerplough
Yeah! Because military men are pigs, and can't control their sex drives /sarcasm.
I agree.
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I can't believe that's what LYSandra meant. No one who has any knowledge of military men or women would think that.
I agree. Why are rape victims' names kept secret? If Crystal Mangum's name had been public earlier, a lot more info on her and her past false accusations would have come to light earlier. If you are going to publicly accuse someone of a crime, you should stand in the spotlight yourself.
No, but it is the unstated assumption behind her comment.
Unless this case is a test bed to see how the troops, politicians and public will react to a possible Jill Metzger trial, (never will happen) then the decision to court martial Cassy is DUMB.
I can already see Greta, NOW, Oprah, Rosie and the rest of the femi-Nazi crowd arriving at Pope AFB in droves to whine, wail and induce sympathy for Cassy. Rightly or wrongly, they will portray her as a rape victim and the Air Force will get even more bad publicity. On top of that, people will be screaming “Jill Metzger” because as fate would have it, Metzger is from North Carolina too. We have all the right ingredients for a legal “perfect storm” disaster that will end up embarrassing the Air Force even more.
The Air Force should have dropped this matter. Especially since they are claiming Jill Metzger is going on an 18 month leave while being investigated!
I fear pre-trial discovery in this case will wreak havoc. What is the Air Force going to do if Cassy (God forbid) gets a good attorney like Bulldog Wells or Charlie Gittins? What kind of hell will everybody be subjected to if NOW or the ACLU gets involved? This is going to be the most and worst embarrassing trial since Airman Al-Halabi walked and his prosecutors were fired and jailed (OSI agent Marc Palamiso and Capt Dennis Kaw)
Do you remember this old Paul Shanklin song on the Rush Limbaugh show?-—
“Women in the Military,
Are driving me insane,
Do we really need some fat bulbous woman,
To overthrow Saddam Hussein?”
Where in anything that I have written do I say I don't care about rape victims? You say this simply because I disagree with your assumption that ALL women that allege rape are above reproach.
It's not that I am afraid of anything you say; liberalism doesn't scare me. It's that at times, I don't feel like banging my head against a wall. I've gotten a good night's sleep; stand by for a deconstruction of your previous post.
I've already addressed the flawed logic issue; which you've already stated doesn't matter to you in another post.
I am just sick and tired of people saying that whenever a woman alleges rape, then she in some way asked for it.
I went back and looked at the thread. I didn't see where anyone, especially me, has said that any woman deserves to be raped, or "asked for it". Once again, flawed logic.
The basis of my argument is about rape. That is what this article was about. I did not enter into a discussion about war, or about feminism, it was about rape.
No, the article is about the fact that the airman refuses to testify, after alleging rape. Her responsibility in the legal process, and her actions leading up to this point ARE about feminism and what it has done to the male/female relationship in our society.
I agree, there are some situations where a woman puts herself in a situation where bad things can happen. But in the situation where she is among people she considers to be friends and something like this happens, how is it her fault?
Once again, no one ever said it was her fault. What was said is that no matter where a young lady is, even among people that she knows, she is responsible for her own safety.
SNIP...That again is jumping to some pretty big conclusions.
The young lady's refusal to testify brings into question the veracity of her allegations. Whatever her reasoning for not testifying, the outcome is that from a distance it appears that she is backpedaling. Unfortunately, perception is more valuable than performance most of the time.
False accusations happen ALL the time for a myriad of reasons. The left, and the feminists use the allegation of rape, or even sexual impropriety, as a bludgeon over the heads of men constantly. You'll have to pardon the rational thinking among us for being skeptical in situations like this.
Again, unless you have sat in front of an officer questioning you about something that is the most shameful thing that can happen while being looked at as a whore, you have no idea what caused her not to testify. In case you know nothing about the feelings let me summarize.
Now who is jumping to conclusions? Simply because the young lady says that she "feels" intimidated by the big bad male dominated system, she was "looked at as a whore"? I went back and read several articles about this and can't find anything about that. Please reference your source.
You feel like you have done something to warrant the act. You are ashamed because you are certain that he is running back...SNIP...I hope you can begin to see and feel what it might, just might be like for this young woman.
You've got some issue there, that can not be addressed in a forum like this. I am not a psychologist, and I am not even going to pretend that I can wade through that baggage.
I am sorry if you "feel" that I am being insensitive; that is not the case. Simple fact is that once a woman alleges rape, she has an obligation to follow through. That takes courage and conviction; which apparently Airman Hernandez lacks. If she was raped, she had a duty to all rape victims...no all women, to ensure that the men who did it paid a price.
Instead, she shirked her duty; just like she shirked her duty to herself in keeping herself out of a bad situation by getting tanked up at a party (under aged drinking), wearing provocative clothing (immodest dress) and stripping naked in front of a bunch of drunk guys (lewd behavior). None of that takes away culpability of the three other a-holes that were involved in the incident. Coupled with her refusal to testify, though, it does cast her in a very bad light.
Simply wishing a problem away, which Airman Hernandez basically wants to happen, if you listen to her interview here at "http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1674488/" ,isn't going to happen.
That's very true. However, it's also true that if you want to convict a rapist, you need to prove him guilty in court...and that is categorically how it should be.
The alleged victim in this case failed to follow through, and therefore the court has no other option than to let her alleged assailants walk...and that too is categorically how it should be.
The source is RAINN.org
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Agreed. Both of my parents served in the second world war, but that was long before feminists brainwashed generations of women into believing the absurdity that there was some kind of physical equality between men and women. There is not. Men and women are different, and when they mistakenly believe that they are not, events can take a bad turn. Add to the mix a victim mentality among some misguided women, and you've got trouble.
My point concerned the callousness of some people on this board toward women who have been assaulted, not the Hernandez case. It was sickening to see people joking about sexual assault. Sexual assault is a crime, not a joke.
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Perhaps you might cite the posts that joked about, or were callous toward sexual assault. I must have missed them.
Women are not victims.
No, I did not label you a liberal because of your efforts to garner sympathy for rape victims, and Airman Hernandez to be specific. Please read this all the way through.
I labeled you a liberal because your arguments are/were intellectually dishonest and patently liberal:
I am of the firm belief that if more women held people like Airman Hernandez, or the Duke Stripper, accountable for their actions, less cases like those would take place. As a result, women would be safer because there would be fewer false cases and energy could be focused where it needs to be. Men would be safer, too, because the sword a Damocles wouldn't continually be hanging over their heads.
Instead, their actions that put them in a bad situation are excused, and their actions after the fact are excused because they are "victims" and both sexes suffer. Institutions like NOW and Oprah act as mouthpieces for this train of thought and the male/female relationship in our society suffers. They are destroying the moral and spiritual fabric of our society.
Men like myself, and those that have agreed with me, can not influence this, except retroactively by raising daughters who "know better". This is because we are the predators and not to be trusted. The only people that can change this issue in the here and now are good women like yourself. Falling into the pitfalls of liberalism isn't going to get it done.
For what it's worth, Mrs. Pig and myself have gone rounds about this very issue...I eventually brought her over the the dark side and we are raising a daughter who will give the gals in NAG a run for their money:-)
Thank you.
Well, "how she must feel" depends on whether she's telling the truth or lying about the accusation, doesn't it.
Women do sometimes...rarely, I think...falsely accuse men of rape. We know this happens. The Duke lacrosse team case is a perfect example.
The truth is, neither you nor I know the truth of the matter at hand. Therefore, I reserve judgment. Truly, so should have the other posters who assumed she was lying.
If this was your point, then we are in agreement.
I think that reserving judgment is the proper thing to do. I also believe that there are some women who falsely accuse. As I pointed out in my last post, there are some intelligent people here at FR. I think there are better ways of stating that the accuser may be lying than slinging disparaging remarks.
I agree, we don’t know the truth of the matter and I also agree with Turbo Pig that I may have gotten a little too emotionally invested in the argument. Lesson learned.
This case and the Metzger case are damaging our war efforts.
And of course, there is now a YouTube Video!
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