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Georgia Pacific Test Ruled Discriminatory
forbes.com ^ | 08/09/07 | AP

Posted on 08/10/2007 5:27:29 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3

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To: Logophile

. . . China.


41 posted on 08/10/2007 6:07:02 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: TornadoAlley3

Federal contractors “must ensure that a test is valid for the particular job if it disproportionately screens out applicants from a protected group,”


I read somewhere that all men are created equal...some just moreso than others.


42 posted on 08/10/2007 6:08:57 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
blacks were far more likely than whites to fail the test

That doesn't sound like the company's problem to me.
43 posted on 08/10/2007 6:09:51 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
No, you go to the US Census and it will tell you the probabilities ~ . Or, you could just examine the database built by the employer as he gave tests and hired those who passed.

The employer is required by law to identify the applicants by race (even if they don't want to be identified).

I don't know if you've ever seen how an illiterate person handles a test, but it's usually pretty obvious ~ it's not just that none of the answers are correct ~ rather, it's like they didn't realize what the questions were, or, many times, where they were!

An employment auditor might go through the employer's records, including those tests, and recognize the problem. In any case, the employer admits the test wasn't an indicator of job performance for the positions for which people were applying.

44 posted on 08/10/2007 6:10:52 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TornadoAlley3
"Federal contractors "must ensure that a test is valid for the particular job if it disproportionately screens out applicants from a protected group," Fred Azua Jr., regional director for the department's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs."

So now being illiterate is a 'protected' status? I really shouldn't read this stuff first thing in the morning because now I'm going to seeth about this all darn day.

"Utility workers at a paper mill don't need to read well, according to the U.S. Department of Labor."

When did we turn it over to the government to decide what the qualifications of employees must be?

"Prats-Swanson said literacy matters because Georgia-Pacific, which is based in Atlanta, often promotes rather than hiring upper-level workers from outside - and literacy is important for higher level jobs."

Now when the company has higher-end jobs to fill, they will be forced to look outside of current employees, and this will no doubt bring additional lawsuits against the company. This is insane.

If these are the rules that big business must abide by, I can see why they would want to move offshore or south of the border. PC is killing America.

45 posted on 08/10/2007 6:11:54 AM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Brakeman

This is a traditional rural area in the Souf’. White folks are respected if not loved in such places.


46 posted on 08/10/2007 6:11:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/8790352.html?showAll=y&c=y

“We Shall Overcome”


47 posted on 08/10/2007 6:14:33 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 ( “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last.”)
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To: muawiyah

It’s not uncommon (nor is it in anyway wrong) for companies that hire from within to want to have the most qualified candidates fill even their lowest skilled positions.


48 posted on 08/10/2007 6:15:07 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: TornadoAlley3

I’m going to find a lawyer to bring suit against the Department of Defense. Every single person I ever knew that took the ASVAB test was only allowed to enlist, not a single one was given a commission. Talk about a discriminatory test!


49 posted on 08/10/2007 6:15:24 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: muawiyah
Being literate should be an essential requirement for any job.
The employer will be sued and defamed if an illiterate person is injured on the job.
A better solution would be for those identified as illiterate to get some fast track tutoring, maybe a probationary hire until they can demonstrate that they are literate.
50 posted on 08/10/2007 6:15:52 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
You are drawing a lot of unwarranted concusions. The company's policy was to promote from within. Not all companies do that. Usually they just go out and get some guy off the street and bring him in to be your boss eh.

Big complaint in America ~ always has been.

However, the specific jobs for which people were being hired were the ones where you didn't know how to read.

It seems one of the primary methods of determining literacy was to have an applicant read a bus schedule.

I've often suspected that top management in the paper industry were fully capable of reading bus schedules but not anyting else, and there we have it. They really are dumb as a board.

I will call my old buddies at the Postal Service and let them know about this ~ they'll have a good laugh.

51 posted on 08/10/2007 6:18:23 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: kinoxi

When Georgia-Pacific was bought by its current owners, every employee at each paper mill was fired, then they were invited to apply for a reduced number of positions at the mill. I suspect the Labor Department has been scrutinizing GA-PAC for quite some time...


52 posted on 08/10/2007 6:20:45 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: muawiyah
They are being punished by outsiders, ie, bureaucrats from Washington DC.
53 posted on 08/10/2007 6:21:49 AM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: muawiyah

And if they operate like most other businesses, those “utility worker” positions are stepping stones to higher-level positions. So why shouldn’t GP be able to hire the most capable candidate for the position, even if that position doesn’t require the skills being tested for?


54 posted on 08/10/2007 6:22:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Utility workers at a paper mill don't need to read well, according to the U.S. Department of Labor.

This is an ignorant ruling. Every American needs to read well.

Reading is the basic education. Read and you can teach yourself any other subject.

In fact, Reading is a safety issue.

55 posted on 08/10/2007 6:23:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: TornadoAlley3
That’s $1877.38 per failed applicant.

I tinc I cud maka liven phalen letresi teztz...

56 posted on 08/10/2007 6:26:47 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: muawiyah

It should be up to the employer and no one else to formulate hiring tests and policies.

If so and so person wants to change the company’s policies, then they should simply buy the company and then do it.


57 posted on 08/10/2007 6:27:00 AM PDT by Brakeman (America can do nothing for the Muslim world)
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To: muawiyah
On it's surface this seems pretty ridiculous, however, more info is needed. There should be no problems with administering a basic literacy test, but if it goes beyond the basic requirements for the job it could be considered discriminatory.

As an example, an employer might administer an "English Test" but if the job is basic factory work and that test asks questions about Shakespeare, it would be going beyond the reasonable expectations for the work.

It might have been unintentional, or it could have been devised as a way to avoid hiring blacks. The fact the company didn't appeal the ruling is interesting...

58 posted on 08/10/2007 6:28:28 AM PDT by Bob J (Rightalk.com...a conservative alternative to NPR! Check out nat synd "Rightalk with Terri and Lynn")
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To: Logophile

“Georgia-Pacific won’t have to worry about this sort of thing if they move their plant to Chin.”

Many segments of the forest products industry already have been ‘off shored’.

I have no sympathy for America’s poor or working class voters because they voted in the crypto-socialists who drove their employers off shore.

As the Chinese said, “Foolish man break own rice bowl.”


59 posted on 08/10/2007 6:31:05 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: doodad

Wonder how much they’ll compensate illegals who failed the test? After all, it’s about literacy right. Not race or immigration status.


60 posted on 08/10/2007 6:33:44 AM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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