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Curious to know if others here have started hearing this.
1 posted on 08/06/2007 12:56:11 PM PDT by Philistone
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Before one can intelligently discuss the ‘what ifs’ of history, one must understand history; I’ve never known a moonbat yet who has even the most fundamental grasp. To them, history is just something else that must be tortured to conform to their extremist agenda.


41 posted on 08/06/2007 1:27:44 PM PDT by Spok
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The Left has been making the argument that WWI was a complete failure and waste of time for well over 10 years that I’ve been aware of.

They are wrong.

We could have done better with our post-war settlements, but Hitler and WWII could not have been “precluded.”

These are the same dingbats that can argue that if Shakespeare were alive today he’d be writing sitcoms. There’s no proving or disproving such stupid arguments. All you can do is point to the facts.

WWI stopped tyrannical aggression and helped unite freedom-loving countries in such a way that they would form an alliance that would survive the rest of the century and thus preserve democracy.

42 posted on 08/06/2007 1:30:46 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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The rise of Hitler and Mussolini probably would have been precluded. Thus there never would have been a second world war.

I don't think there would have been a Soviet Union either. Germany would have smacked the Red Army down in short order not having to reinforce the Western Front.

50 posted on 08/06/2007 1:44:05 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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I don’t get what you don’t get.

Sooooo, pacifists argue that the world would have had less war if only there had been less war?

Why would you not expect that from them?

Seriously, are you expecting pacifist educated kids in school today to argue that, what, sometimes war is good? That sometimes war is necessary?

Do you spank your dog for not speaking well, too?


53 posted on 08/06/2007 1:54:41 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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What about the effect of the Great Depression on Germany? I know the terms of surrender were punitive for Germany but the country would likely have avoided Hitler if the depression hadn’t compounded their troubles. You can play this game all day and it’s fruitless.


54 posted on 08/06/2007 1:56:05 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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Despite the lack of historical or even philisophical [sic] rationale, these arguments keep popping up.

I believe the medical term for this is called mental masturbation.

5.56mm

58 posted on 08/06/2007 2:07:41 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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I just got done reading

A World Undone

this weekend which was a history of WW-I.

It was like 1000 page softcover book. From what I read and everything else I read, American involvement really didn’t change anything, it just hurried up the collapse of Germany.

There was absolute exhaustion on both sides pre-America however, America didn’t change much in terms of goals...

ie: once Germany was expelled from France, the Allies did not pursue Germany into thier country.

It was England and France that demanded the harshness of the peace terms.

So no , America didn’t cause WW-II. France’s insistance on the subordination and humiliation of Germany did.


59 posted on 08/06/2007 2:16:36 PM PDT by pacelvi (Islam is the acid that will dissolve the nation-state and led to the total breakdown of civilization)
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It’s pretty easy to tell the future 90 years after it’s already taken place.


79 posted on 08/07/2007 5:53:10 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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Niall Ferguson has written a lot about First World War counterfactuals. What If? and What If? II are other examples.

You can say it's all nonsense, and the people who indulge in it have a lot of time on their hands to waste, but "What if WWI never happened?" "What if the Germans won the 1914 war?" and "What if the US never entered WWI?" are classic counterfactuals, along with the ever popular "What if the South had won the Civil War?"

My guess is that these are the kind of questions people ask after particularly destructive wars. If it all seems like science fiction, it's very much that as well. The only SF I could stomach as a kid was the historical stuff: time travel and counterfactuals.

80 posted on 08/07/2007 1:20:50 PM PDT by x
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