As a Man Thinketh: Serenity (Is it Possible in Today's Politics?)

As a Man Thinketh | James Allen

[Reaganesque]

James Allen's book "As a Man Thinketh" is one of the greatest self-help/motivational books ever written. In observing the political debate here on FR and elsewhere, I have begun to wonder if what Mr. Allen writes about here (the last chapter of the book) applies any more to modern day politics. And if it doesn't apply, why not? I believe it should but there seems to be a significant number people involved in politics today who to hold the opposite belief. So, am I wrong in my belief? Is it naive to think that people can be calm, rational and civil in their discourse? What do you think?

[Reaganesque]

Ping!

[johnny7]

[vietvet67]

Entire book here: http://jamesallen.wwwhubs.com/think.htm

[Mr. Jeeves]

See my tagline. Many people come to FR because they like emotional turmoil, and thrive on discussing the latest Democrat or Muslim "Outrage of the Day". Civil discourse flows from a genuine desire to improve society - most political junkies don't really want to improve anything, because their egos can't feel superior in the absence of an enemy.

[Coldwater Creek]

I think that you are taking advantage of sharing God’s love for us, even if it is the form of correction.

Thanks, thanks, thanks!

[RichInOC]

Let’s see...

[aims at TV...]

BANG!

[aims at computer...]

BANG!

[sets paper on doorstep, pours gas on it, strikes match...]

WHUMP!

...Yes.

[small voice in the wilderness]

It's impossible in today's society. Thank you Oprah. feh. "As a person feeleth" is the only stand politicians take. One that has us on the expressway to hell.

[gigster]

SERENITY NOW!!!

[DumpsterDiver]

I have begun to wonder if what Mr. Allen writes about here (the last chapter of the book) applies any more to modern day politics. And if it doesn't apply, why not? I believe it should... So, am I wrong in my belief?

No.

Is it naive to think that people can be calm, rational and civil in their discourse?

In a way, yes, it is naive. People can be calm, rational and civil, but humans, being what they are, emotions can easily override rational discourse. It's how we choose to respond to those outbreaks that matters.

What do you think?

I'm not always sure! ;^)

[freedom9]

Sounds good

[restornu]

I love that book I would read that book often before I was a member of the Church.

[Reaganesque]

That’s one of my favorite quotes as well.

[Reaganesque]

Great comments so far! Thanks!

[Scarchin]

I’m 42 and for most of my life agreed with the main post here. However, as I got older - and only in the last few years - did I realize that, while calm is nice, bullies will steamroll you. I also realized that liberal are essentially bullies. The rules of calm rational discussion only apply when you are agreeing with a liberal. Otherwise you are a bigot, racist, bible-nut etc.

In the words of Alice Cooper - no more Mr.Nice Guy.

[Scarchin]

I’m 42 and for most of my life agreed with the main post here. However, as I got older - and only in the last few years - did I realize that, while calm is nice, bullies will steamroll you. I also realized that liberals are essentially bullies. The rules of calm rational discussion only apply when you are agreeing with a liberal. Otherwise you are a bigot, racist, bible-nut etc.

In the words of Alice Cooper - no more Mr.Nice Guy.

[P.O.E.]

Thanks for the thread. My Dad had a copy of this around, and it was obviously well thumbed-through.

[Scarchin]

BTW - as far as FR goes, I try avoid threads about: drug legalization, porn/prostitution, religion, and evolution.

Usually lots of heat and no light.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I think the key is balance. In many spiritual circles there is a belief that if a man can make you angry, he controls you. The goal is to have inner control no matter your environment or outside provocations.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Theoretically, leaders are supposed to be wise individuals who have achieved a certain level of success in life and are called to give their time and talents to society.

That’s rare today, although I think Mitt fits the description. Most people seek office today for money and power and bring along that accompanying low level of spiritual development. IMO, that is the major reason for corruption and decayed morality. Most politicians today have no reason or spiritual right to hold power over others.