IN THE CAN !!!...;0)
Posted on 08/03/2007 12:19:59 PM PDT by jedward
Climate changes - it always has, always will, Deal with it.
Assuming major world climate changes are due to human effects are is kind of hard to swallow. At one time there were hippopotamuses and hyenas in England. At other times it was under a glacier.
Global Warming isn’t a scientific fact - its a religious belief.
Re-read post #25...I should note I did not get a response. That’s the crux, one could argue on that point alone that China has indeed surpassed the US in their dominance of world trade. And with the help of the liberal tool known as Global Warming.
That’s the real story here :)
“Global Warming isn’t a scientific fact - its a religious belief.”
Indeed it is for many!
Settle down.
Pressure to do what? Pressure to live cleanly, to play fairly, and to follow the standards that the rest of the civilized world does.
Yes, the global warming hysteria is hokum. However, India and China are major polluters, and China, in particular, seems not to care a whit about safety or cleanliness of her methods or her exports. In a global economy, that affects me, so I care.
I didn’t say one thing about greenhouse gases, and I didn’t mean to put your panties in a wad.
Or, it could be a recognition that if we submit to Kyoto (or Son of Kyoto), China will quickly become the dominant trading power.
BTW, I don't see this as a strategic effort against China alone, but rather against all countries which see Kyoto as a means of improving their position in the world WRT the United States.
I would say that’s right on your first point, and its equivilant is the default I mentioned.
You’re right too, there’s other countries involved for sure. This is one of those instances where one can get a quick snapshot of world dominance, in trade anyway. I guess in the big scheme of things, I’d say we are and have been standing on a rug for a very long time. If China wants to pull that rug tomorrow or next year, they could and when they perceive us Militarily weak enough, they will.
Thanks a ton for the reply, I was starting to get nervous :))
Maybe we invite them over?
Oh, and thanks for digging that up :)
Also, have you read through this thread. The “Real Story” in this story IMHO is the Crystal Clear fact that China is the leader in trade dominance in the world, no us any longer. I posted also that they could and I’m sure their intellects factor that if we were weakened enough militarily, then they would pull the rug. This isn’t fear-mongering on my part. I’ve watched the trends for nearly 15 years. The World is quickly being reorganized, asset allocations foreign and domestic keep shifting and I just simply don’t feel real good about where our nation is as “member of the world community”. If that makes any sense...
Funny how a Global Warming Summit being called by bush could bring about the conversation that makes that case very well. Funny, but in a quite scary way :)
Was that before or after he said "Wheeeeee doggies"
Good analysis and exchanges here, if you find time.
I'm not sure either, but why should be we be forced to play with one hand tied behind our back? Here's something to think about. The lead story in today's Washington Times weekly says:
"China, this year for the first time, has dislodged the United States from its long reign as the main engine of global economic growth, with its more than 11 per cent growth eclipsing sputtering U.S. growth of about 2 percent, according to the International Monetary Fund's projections released on July 25.
I understand it’s a fight, and no we definately don’t want to have one hand tied behind our back. The Headline from the story you quoted says “China now powering world’s economy”, which is the same point I was focusing on upthread. How the hell have our leaders put us in this position (rhetorical question I know)?
We (whoever that is) wanted global trade, so now China has defacto control on our economy via trade. And with the premise being a complete farce (Global Warming). It’s going the general direction of EU/RU/CH being the world’s super-powers and I never thought I’d see that in my lifetime. I understand the logic of using the Global Warming Farce to advance other objectives, but I’d say the proof’s in the pudding and the article you and I referenced pretty much spells it out in my eyes. We are a weaker world power and be played, manipulated, controlled by at least 1 commi state, who just happens to be increasing their weapons new and improved higher rate. Those are the concerns I have.
Solution? That’s a funny thing, because we are where we are, how do we reverse course? How much manufacturing and industrial production capability and capacity do we even have left in the United States? I’m afraid I don’t really want to know.
fact that China is the leader in trade dominance in the world
That seems to be the way it’s heading.
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“China now powering world’s economy”
Those were originally my words, but above is the Washington Times Weekly Headline from the other post...so we were on the right thought.
IN THE CAN !!!...;0)
Picture worth a thousand words :)
WHAT's IN YOUR SUPPER ???...;0)
It gets much worse when you think about how they prop up our insane deficit spending by loaning us back the same dollars we send to them in trade, and hold our economy hostage. And the "voters" go on re-electing the same bunch of sold-out self-serving big-spending globalist idiots while devoting what little intelligence they have to the latest exploits of Paris and Lindsay. I don't want to think much about our future either. Right now we're "Livin' in a Fool's Paradise," like the old Mose Allison song says.
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