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The Question Of Islam
http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/9577/sec_id/9577 ^ | Theodore Dalrymple

Posted on 08/02/2007 7:11:58 AM PDT by ventanax5

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To: windcliff

pong. Thus for islam.


21 posted on 08/02/2007 8:42:21 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: ventanax5

Islam—Bunch of demonic crazies in control!


22 posted on 08/02/2007 8:52:33 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: ventanax5

If Islam is so wonderful, then why is it that countries in the global south, example subsaharia Africa are embracing Christianity bigtime. So much so that it is going thru a boom time in the addition of new church communities and are sending missionaries to the west to bring the Gospel back to a west that so very much needs it.


23 posted on 08/02/2007 8:52:37 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: livius
Calvin wanted to and tried to establish a theocracy and even put to death other Protestants

Wrong on both counts.

Dr. McGrath points out "how deeply the myth of 'the great dictator of Geneva' is embedded in popular religious and historical writings," and points to the work of Balzac and Huxley as examples of writers who made assertions without any historical facts supporting them, but who nevertheless seem to have had more influence in the shaping of the modern view of Calvin than the facts of history. [emphasis mine] 7 The Genevan reformer was "denied access to the city's decision-making machinery. He could not vote; he could not stand for office."8 In fact, he still had little power over his own church affairs!
Was Geneva A Theocracy?
by Michael Horton


24 posted on 08/02/2007 8:59:39 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: 2banana

Thanks for your description of the differences.


25 posted on 08/02/2007 9:04:16 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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Prophet of Doom-Download the audio book here

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/Prophet_of_Doom_Islams_Terrorist_Dogma_in_Muhammads_Own_Words.Islam


26 posted on 08/02/2007 9:33:50 AM PDT by Master of Orion
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To: ventanax5; Lando Lincoln; neverdem; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; Valin; King Prout; SJackson; dennisw; ...

...This is the great achievement of the Islamists: they have turned the nastiest imaginable form of their religion into the only one that counts for non-Moslems - and for an increasing number of Moslems too. It is as if the Spanish Inquisition had been made the sole legitimate representative ... of Christianity.

The claims that Islam has in its history been religiously tolerant are difficult to disentangle in an honest fashion. Without an axe to grind, you would hardly even consider the question. Islam is a religion, but Moslems are people, and their conduct may not always have been what religious enthusiasts would have wanted them to be, or believed were religiously required. Then again, what is religiously required has been a matter of dispute: and extremism has not always prevailed over pragmatism.

...But what is the moral of this history, if there is one? It is certainly not one of the immemorial goodness and tolerance of the western tradition and the immemorial wickedness and intolerance of the Islamic one. I suppose a Martian, on reading this story, might come to the conclusion that human beings were a bad lot, and that he had better leave Earth as soon as possible.

...But there is another moral to the story, and I do not think it is one that is encouraging about Islam as a force in the modern world. For many centuries, the record of Islam was probably no worse, and might even have been better, than the western one, at least in point of religious tolerance (the Jews of the Maghreb in the Sixteenth Century certainly thought so). Unfortunately, this is a pretty dismal standard to measure anything by. There was, in fact, plenty of room for the Islamic record to be as good as or better than the western one, and still be very bad. Between dhimmitude and death, who would not choose dhimmitude? But that is not to say it was an enviable or morally defensible fate.

...In other words, the moral of Professor Stora’s book is that Islam, whatever its past glories, achievements, strengths and even tolerance by comparison with extremely low standards prevailing at different times elsewhere, has no means as yet of dealing with the modern world in a constructive fashion, and perhaps (though here it is impossible to be dogmatic) never can have such a means without falling apart entirely. I leave it to the experts to decide.      


Theodore Dalrymple in his usual penetrating brilliance. Very educational!

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27 posted on 08/02/2007 11:54:23 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: kinoxi

Yes, it must be terrible in the ME. No freedom to speak of. Can’t convert to Christianity. Can’t choose a young man to marry, let alone to speak to. Cannot drive alone if you are a woman. yadayada. And I believe they cannot speak out against any of this — look at the few brave souls who do. The Fatwa-Few.


28 posted on 08/02/2007 12:21:13 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: 2banana
The stories of Jesus still make sense to us today. It may be because they are true, it may be because they are based in love or it may be because they were written to tell the people of the Word of God.

All three.

29 posted on 08/02/2007 12:24:51 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: Yehuda

Hehehe


31 posted on 08/02/2007 4:05:53 PM PDT by Grunthor
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To: Man50D

bttt


32 posted on 08/04/2007 2:21:47 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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