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Keep the battle flag out of the Capitol
The Roanoke Times ^ | 29 July 2007 | Christian Trejbal

Posted on 07/31/2007 10:31:05 AM PDT by Rebeleye

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To: Rebeleye

Anybody that thinks this is really only about the confederate flag better wake up. How about the Alamo? When the Mestizos become majority do you think they will want to celebrate the Alamo? How about many of our founding fathers? You know the “evil slave holders” Think as multiculturalism progresses that Washington, Jefferson & Henry et al will still be seen as heroes? The list is endless. We see it happening right now. In CA certain streets or buildings are now seeing the majority Hispanic population wanting to change or rededicate them. And this is after some of them already were rename years ago from white leaders to black leaders. This is not even counting all the renaming that goes on in the south. Where does it stop?


41 posted on 07/31/2007 12:51:15 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Rebeleye

BTW this Christian Trejbal and the Roanoke Times is the same publication that published all the addresses for the concealed weapons permit holders awhile back.

He also regularly shows his disdain for the south and southern people. Not sure why he moved here in the first place.


42 posted on 07/31/2007 12:53:48 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Dixie Yooper
The only hope for victory you ever had was

The first hope of 'victory' they had was if the Union had never invaded them in the first place. The CSA did not start the war. They were fighting in self defense.
43 posted on 07/31/2007 1:10:14 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: stainlessbanner

thanks for the ping stainless.


44 posted on 07/31/2007 1:18:49 PM PDT by slow5poh (Hippies, Moonbats, and Liberals oh My!!)
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To: Lee Heggy123

“Even now if I were to fly the 1st National most”

yep. i have that sticker on the back of my truck and no one recognizes it.


45 posted on 07/31/2007 1:20:35 PM PDT by slow5poh (Hippies, Moonbats, and Liberals oh My!!)
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To: TalonDJ

Fort Sumter was not an invasion by the Union.


46 posted on 07/31/2007 1:20:39 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Dixie Yooper
“Fort Sumter was not an invasion by the Union”

Actually it was. The CSA had offered to reimburse the union for all federal property before the war, which would have included Fort Sumter. The union troops would not leave the fort so the south fired on them, then Lincoln started the war. Lincoln could have accepted payment for the fort and got the troops out, but he didn't

47 posted on 07/31/2007 1:26:51 PM PDT by slow5poh (Hippies, Moonbats, and Liberals oh My!!)
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To: slow5poh
what it really amounted to was Linclon setting it up to where the south had to fire first, thus making them in to the aggressors. When we all know he could of just peacefully let the south go.
48 posted on 07/31/2007 1:29:26 PM PDT by slow5poh (America's burning, should I get out the fiddle now?)
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To: Rebeleye
The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism

I agree. I remember being at JFK trying to get a taxi cab to take me to the international terminal because I was about to miss my connecting flight. It took several attempts, and dirty looks and "fingers" from the mostly black cabbies, before I realized that I did not stand a chance, a white girl with a battle flag tied to the strap of my carry-on luggage! Hatred and racism? I think so, although not in the sense the author suggested. BTW, the plane waited for me, left almost 45 minutes late.

49 posted on 07/31/2007 1:41:49 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: MIT-Elephant; All
THE CROSS of our Lord Jesus, the ETERNAL CHRIST,was the MOST common symbol MISUSED by the klan-IDIOTS.

one wonders if the PC-leftists would ban it as well.

the more i learn about politicians, the better i like slugs & snakes.

free dixie,sw

50 posted on 07/31/2007 2:11:10 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
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To: slow5poh
what it really amounted to was Linclon setting it up to where the south had to fire first, thus making them in to the aggressors. When we all know he could of just peacefully let the south go.

Surrender was an option only if Lincoln had not taken seriously his duty to suppress insurrection. Not only does the Constitution make no provision for secession, but the secessions were done with unseemly haste accompanied by a dubious informed popular consent and were provoked by mere political events and not a long series of real offenses such as those that provoked the legitimate American Revolution of the 1770s.

Many good southern men died in the service of what was a political power grab and not a sober revolt of a truly oppressed people.

51 posted on 07/31/2007 2:18:17 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: JamesP81; billbears; Non-Sequitur
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: when it becomes acceptable to ban public display of the stars and bars in the south, then the banning of the stars and stripes everywhere will soon follow.

Well, you say that, but lookee here:

To: Rebeleye

> Virginia should not fly a Confederate flag in its capitol. We owe no allegiance to that nation.

As I owe no allegiance to the union. Which is why I do not own, say a pledge to, nor fly a union flag. Ever. There's nothing wrong with the Battle Flag flying anywhere. However if truth be known, they should have the First National flying somewhere on the Capitol grounds

16 posted on 07/31/2007 10:59:44 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)

Maybe James got it wrong: "when it becomes acceptable to display of the stars and bars in the south, then the banning of the stars and stripes everywhere will soon follow."

52 posted on 07/31/2007 2:37:40 PM PDT by x
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Well, I got it wrong, too. Meant to say: "when it becomes acceptable to display the stars and bars in the south, then the banning of the stars and stripes everywhere will soon follow."

Funny how you have those dramatic moments and spoil them with a typo.

53 posted on 07/31/2007 2:40:16 PM PDT by x
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To: x
Maybe James got it wrong:

No, I'm pretty sure I've got it right.
54 posted on 07/31/2007 2:43:28 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: JamesP81
Well, you've got a colleague who says he owes no allegiance to the stars and stripes and doesn't fly it. Maybe there are more like him out there.

This idea that if the Confederate Battle Flag doesn't fly, the Stars and Stripes will come down too appeals to a lot of people, but it's pretty self-serving, and how much sense is there in it?

What flag would we fly if not Old Glory?

55 posted on 07/31/2007 2:50:58 PM PDT by x
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To: x; billbears
Well, you've got a colleague who says he owes no allegiance to the stars and stripes and doesn't fly it. Maybe there are more like him out there.

Billbears is entitled to his own opinions. How they have anything to do with what I said escapes me.

This idea that if the Confederate Battle Flag doesn't fly, the Stars and Stripes will come down too appeals to a lot of people, but it's pretty self-serving, and how much sense is there in it?

Look at the people who want it taken down. Leftists. The reason they are zeroing in on the CBF is that it is politically easier to target southerners. At least, today it is. If they can demonize an entire culture in this country, it's not long before they demonize everything that is uniquely American. And let's face it: much of what is uniquely American can be traced to the south.

What flag would we fly if not Old Glory?

Depends on who gets their way. If the statist-oriented "conservatives" on this forum and elsewhere get their way, we'll fly whatever they tell us too. It's far more likely, however, that the lefties will get their way which means either 1) a UN flag 2) a rainbow flag or 3) something with a crescent in it.
56 posted on 07/31/2007 2:57:52 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Oh really. I guess states right was not an important issue. I guess it’s ok the the northern victory in the civil war led to the supersize federal government we have today. The fed. gov was never meant to be absolute ruler over that states. It was never meant to be as large and intrusive as it is today. What “right” did the framers have to rebel against the British crown? Sometimes the right thing to do is considered wrong at the time.
57 posted on 07/31/2007 2:59:36 PM PDT by slow5poh (America's burning, should I get out the fiddle now?)
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To: x

#####This idea that if the Confederate Battle Flag doesn’t fly, the Stars and Stripes will come down too appeals to a lot of people, but it’s pretty self-serving, and how much sense is there in it?#####

Do you think the anti-Rebel Flag movement in Virginia (or any other state) is being driven by patriotic type folks down at the local VFW post? No, it’s being driven by the far left-wing of the Democrat Party. People such as the anti-second amendment writer whose column started this thread.

Griswold led to Roe. The 1965 Immigration Bill led to open borders amnesty. The Lawrence ruling has led (or is leading) to same sex marriage, hate speech laws, Christian charities being banned from assisting orphaned children find homes, etc. And purging the stars & bars will open an assault on Old Glory.

How about letting the people of Virginia vote on this issue? To the best of my knowledge there’s only been one referendum on the stars & bars, and it won with flying colors (in Mississippi a few years ago).

#####What flag would we fly if not Old Glory?#####

I’m sure Code Pink, La Raza, the SPLC, and Daily Kos will design a real pretty one.


58 posted on 07/31/2007 3:25:43 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: TalonDJ

“The CSA did not start the war. They were fighting in self defense.”

I’m all for a balanced and conciliatory view of the Civil War, but this is simply not true. The CSA knew the north was not going to let it secede without a fight.

War was an inevitable consequence of the secession. The CSA was not an innocent party, it knew the risks involved.


59 posted on 07/31/2007 3:30:24 PM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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To: x
I don't fly the union flag because no one in my family fought for the Army of the 'Republic'. But I don't fly the Battle Flag either. There are only two flags in front of my house. North Carolina's 1861 flag and the First National. If you want to fly the union flag that's your choice. If you want to say a pledge to a piece of cloth that's your choice too. I have no problem with you flying the flag of your choice. And you shouldn't ask those in our Southern Capitol to rescind their heritage either.

Many great men, much better than many of those that sit there today, occupied those halls once. And if remembering them is found within a flag of heritage, the PC police should get over it. There's already a new statue of a most worthless individual in Richmond. Isn't that enough?

60 posted on 07/31/2007 4:02:48 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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