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Sagging Pants May Have Contributed To Fatal Shooting
The Indy Channel ^ | 07/30/07

Posted on 07/30/2007 11:08:32 AM PDT by Abathar

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To: Abathar
a federal civil rights lawsuit filed by Vincent Smith Jr.

Yes, "civil rights"! That's almost guaranteed to get the guiltridden Man to expose his behind for anal sex handing overthje taxpayers' $20 mill, or better to the hoodlums family! Another achievement of the worshipped "civil rights movement" of the glorious 1960s!

101 posted on 07/30/2007 7:07:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: TexasCajun

Notice that the homo’s car is as screwed up as they are.


102 posted on 07/30/2007 7:11:05 PM PDT by Eaker (If illegal immigrants were so great for an economy; Mexico would be building a wall to keep them in)
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To: TC Rider

Gooogle Whale Tail


103 posted on 07/30/2007 7:14:32 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Abathar
an attorney for Vincent Smith Sr., said police training should better prepare officers

Maybe the 'father' should teach his son not to steal and to wear pants that fit! Act like a thug get treated like a thug.

Please keep your private parts PRIVATE! Most people, in the public, aren't interested in what your 'privates' look like!

104 posted on 07/30/2007 7:15:25 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Abathar

Sounds like a fatal case of dumbass to me. “Go ahead, punk, make my day.”


105 posted on 07/30/2007 7:18:04 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Abathar
The city's motion includes photographs of Smith's body, his underwear clearly riding above his jean's sagging waist, laying in the alley behind a house he was apparently burglarizing.

Oh, the indignity of it all.

106 posted on 07/30/2007 7:19:05 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: garyhope
“Sometimes there’s nothing like a good belt to keep you alive. (Pun possibly intended)”

The makings of a very effective campaign by the belt industry.

“Joey didn’t wear his belt while out committing felonies and met a tragic fate.
But Roger on the hand, had his pants securely held up at the waist. Roger was able to utilize his athletic speed to outrun the police while knocking off a convenience store.
Roger lived to rob again.
If you want to be like Roger, then please wear an American crafted belt and keep on running”

107 posted on 07/30/2007 7:19:52 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: coffee260

LOL!


108 posted on 07/30/2007 7:21:25 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: vladimir998

You’re a genius!


109 posted on 07/30/2007 7:23:06 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Kenton

Dang! You all, with your big-city, saggy-a$$ anecdotes make me feel deprived because I live in a small town.


110 posted on 07/30/2007 7:25:28 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Abathar
Time to Ban Droopy Gangsta Pants!

Well isn't that the normal liberal DBM response?

111 posted on 07/30/2007 8:05:33 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TexasCajun
What's the point of walking around holding your pants up with one hand?

It's cool don't ya know? Although "cool" isn't cool anymore, AFAIK.

112 posted on 07/30/2007 8:08:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Abathar
I bet the kid never tries that again.
113 posted on 07/30/2007 8:11:41 PM PDT by Hoodat
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To: Abathar

Actions have consequences. If the way you dress causes you to make suspicious movements in the course of hot pursuit, there are potentially dangerous consequences.

Sad, but seems to be a concept that can’t seem to be learned by some. Always a tough one for younger people.


114 posted on 07/30/2007 8:34:31 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: Abathar

Case law— Tenn. v. Garner and Grahm v. Conner — define use of force by police nationwide (Supreme Court decisions) and in combination they clearly say no 20/20 hindsight. Use of force is by the reasonable officer at the time standard. Meaning, use of force should be reasonable and appropriate as an officer of like training and experience would use at the same time given the same knowledge. E.g. if they turn out to be reaching for a wallet, so long as a reasonable and like trained officer would believe they are reaching for a gun, then deadly force is authorized.


115 posted on 07/31/2007 5:10:06 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: KrisKrinkle
“Goblin looks at cop, pulls pants up to run, cop believes he’s going for a weapon, cop aims-prepares to fire, goblin turns to run again just as cop squeezes trigger, cop has no reflex time to slack off on trigger, goblin learns stupidity can be a capital offense in the real world.”

Problem is, you are giving a new version of the events from what the cop says happened.

116 posted on 07/31/2007 5:32:02 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Grizzled Bear
“Remember the MSM is telling you this information. If the MSM tells me the sun is rising I still look out the window to verify.”

Very true, but all we are going on here is what is written in the article. My opinion is based on what the article says unless you have the police report or a different statement from the cop.

117 posted on 07/31/2007 5:45:34 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Abathar
Douglas Hobson, an attorney for Vincent Smith Sr., said police training should better prepare officers to make split-second judgments to prevent shooting suspects who pose no threat.

"You've got to know there is a gun or something that is going to hurt someone. If these kinds of excuses justify something like that, then we've got a long way to go," he said.

Hmmm... Dictionary.com defines "threat" (2nd of 3) as "an indication or warning of probable trouble". When being chased by police, reaching down toward or into the waistband of one's pants must surely be considered an indication of probable trouble - even the movies show people with guns in their waistbands all the *bleeping* time!

Oh, and with respect to the need to "know", perhaps this fine example of lawyerly excrement should always wait to know if the home invaders that could (note: no evil wishes here) take over his domicile (with him and his loved ones inside) intend to rob, hurt, or murder them before he capitulates his self-defense rights.

Stop! Halt! Police! Freeze!

If the deceased had better understood such lofty, pretentious words, then he might have survived the encounter, with only a new or embellished rap sheet!

118 posted on 07/31/2007 5:49:05 AM PDT by MortMan (Good health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die.)
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To: Abathar
"Douglas Hobson, an attorney for Vincent Smith Sr., said police training should better prepare officers to make split-second judgments to prevent shooting suspects who pose no threat.

If the cop spends too little time analyzing the situation, he might shoot somebody who he could have avoided shooting. If he spends too much time, the cop winds up dead. Most cops prefer being the one who gets to go home at the end of the day

119 posted on 07/31/2007 5:50:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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To: Dick Vomer
I could care less one way or another, but how can someone turn and face somebody, pull at their pants and get shot "behind the left ear".

One way is if the cop fired as the guy was in the middle of making the turn

120 posted on 07/31/2007 6:09:03 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
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