Posted on 07/29/2007 3:23:40 AM PDT by restornu
Thanks for the information. I’ll look at the sources and respond soon - thanks.
Welcome John Leland 1789, Evangelical Pastor
“Welcome John Leland 1789, Evangelical Pastor”
Excuse me, What does “Evangelical” mean, and how does it apply to me?
“Matt. 7:
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
3 Ne. 14:
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.’
Looks like someone was guilty of plagiarism.
Why does the Book of Mormon repeat so much text from the Bible?
Many have objected to the Book of Mormon's frequent use of Old Testament material, quoting from many passages, especially Isaiah, where entire chapters are quoted. In some cases, the Biblical text is reworked or interposed with commentary. For example, 2 Nephi 27 is primarily a quotation of Isaiah 29, but it appears the Nephi has expanded portions of that chapter to add further prophetic details about the Restoration of the Gospel. Some critics have said that God does not need to repeat Himself, and that the Book of Mormon must be a fraud because it unnecessarily repeats scripture that God already gave. Such critics show amazing ignorance of the Bible. The words of Christ and nearly all New Testament writers frequently repeat Old Testament passages. Hundreds of New Testament verses are repetitions of text from the Old Testament, often applied to new situations to make a particular point - just as we find in the Book of Mormon.
The recent discovery of other ancient Jewish texts adds further credibility to the Book of Mormon practice of quoting heavily from the Old Testament and reworking Old Testament passages for special purposes. For example, Marilyn J. Lundberg writing for the University of Southern California's West Semitic Research Project, discusses the ancient Dead Sea Scroll text, "The Words of Moses" (document 1Q22 [1QDM])
The content of the manuscript is heavily influenced by the biblical book of Deuteronomy, which is primarily a long speech by Moses to the people of Israel before they enter the land of Canaan. Deuteronomy itself reviews, quotes and reworks some of the material from Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers. The Words of Moses reworks material from Deuteronomy. This is not at all surprising, since much of the literature of this time (3rd century B.C.E. to 1st century C.E.) is based on older biblical texts. It was a common practice, as we can see from many of the Dead Sea Scrolls, to take passages from the Bible and rework them in some way for a particular religious purpose. The Words of Moses was perhaps intended to serve as a reminder to the people to obey the commandments given by God through Moses. It may also have served as a warning of what would happen if they did not.
Book of Mormon passages that draw upon the Old Testament strive for the same purpose: to remind the people to obey God and warn of what would happen if they did not (and, more importantly, to convince people that Jesus Christ is the Messiah).
If the Book of Mormon did not draw upon the words of the Old Testament, then one could rightly question its Semitic origins. The use of previous Jewish scriptures in the Book of Mormon only adds to its credibility as an ancient text with Semitic origins. ~ jeff Lindsay
So can I be directed to the ORIGINAL texts that prove the
veracity of the Book of Mormon Biblical quotations?
You know like, the 4th century Bibles, the Dead Sea Scrolls etc etc etc?
No. I thought not.
Look up the concept of “Occam’s Razor”.
You are the one who tossed out those identical quotes as a form of evidence. Now you decide to go Ad Hominem. Thats always the sign of a loosing argument. Thanks for playing.
~”Looks like someone was guilty of plagiarism.”~
Are the principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ different for one people than for another?
Why should it surprise us that God’s prophets taught the people in the New World the same truths as taught by God’s prophets to the people in the Old World? The same spirit of revelation was speaking to them all, after all.
The Book of Mormon was not meant to replace the Bible. It was meant to reinforce it.
Look up “sophistry” while you are at it.
The studying I have done with Mormons and about Mormonism would lead me to place Momonism very close to a cult status.
I prayed for God to tell me whether the Book of Mormon was true or not. No answer.
I asked 2 Mormon elders who I was studying with, if I prayed and got a different answer than them, what would their response be. They said that I hadn't prayed hard enough.
The Apostle Paul said to the Galatians, " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Mormonism, by any definition, and by the Mormons own TV commercials, state that the Book of Mormon is "another testament". Paul warned against that, and said "Let them be accursed."
“Best thing to do is smile, tell them youre not interested, and close the door. Theyll go on to the next house.”
But they come back. That’s the problem.
What a crock. You do realize that the original texts were written in Hebrew and Greek? And that uninspired men translated them into their language?
Why would Jospeh Smith change his writing style and recount these passages in language that was 230 years old?
Here’s some people to read: Gerald and Sandra Tanner.
Mormonism, by any definition, and by the Mormons own TV commercials, state that the Book of Mormon is "another testament". Paul warned against that, and said "Let them be accursed."
When I received my testimony I was 38 could be that was the time of life I was to receive this after all the kind of living I did, at this point the Lord knew I as ready!
I wasn't a bad person but I needed to experience certain things so at another time of my life I would appreciate and treasure his word also along this way it was a quest of mine to fine answers to things in the Bible that left many area unresolved.
The Apostle Paul said to the Galatians, " I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."
Mormonism, by any definition, and by the Mormons own TV commercials, state that the Book of Mormon is "another testament". Paul warned against that, and said "Let them be accursed."
That is how some would like you to process those verses but if one were to ponder and takes a closer look at what it really says in those verses!
It is not another gospel, this is another Teatament to Jesus Christ.
Gal 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The conversation that is taking place is current for that day which those things were happening as you read Paul's reply!
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
These verse here inform us that Lord Jesus Chirst was very concern how his Gospel was being preverted.
Yet there are some who say the Bible is infallible even those our Lord was crucified, as well as the history of his apostles.
What was to prevent those in power to adapt the scriptures to thier political agenda as they did Constantine, as we witness the Lord Jesus Christ Concern to Paul in Gal 1?
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The Book of Mormon is by revelation from Jesus Christ so is all the restored word of God received by Revelation of Jesus Christ to his servant Joseph Smith!
Abnd again I ask, WHAT does “evangelical” mean, and how does it apply to me?
So I gather from you protest as a Evangelist you do not agree with the evangelicals?
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