Posted on 07/24/2007 3:28:57 PM PDT by wagglebee
Yes, industry will be your best buddy until they think they have squeezed you dry. Then you can cultivate your hobbies much more quickly.
My hobbies include photography, furniture making, metal working, and making small solid rocket motors.
I still actively work, and I do enjoy that as long as I don't have to tangle with management. Throughout my career, management seems to be a collection of power hungry buffoons who just don't understand anything their workforce does. That makes them make mistakes, usually bad ones. I'm outspoken, so I'm constantly at the top of the shit lists.
The best approach is to figure out a way to start your own company, and make products that are strictly your own.
We can, do and must.
Must you and your pals take this news as an attack on your country and come rushing in by Attacking America rather than an attack on abortion?
There are some people out here with a paranoid hatred against things Indian and of India. I suspect many of them to be Pakistanis and Chinese posing as Americans. You don't find me jumping in to criticise America for no warrant, do you? Someone starts the dirty work of diverting away from the main topic at hand, and using the news to malign the people for sometimes totally unrelated reasons. That ticks me. This is an internet forum, a place where one challenges the views of another, with facts and reason, and is not a happy, gay place where everyone agrees with each other and therefore has nothing to argue about. As long as the posting guidelines are followed, you shouldn't be having a problem.
Someone starts it, and they deserve being responded to, usually with enough facts that it gets them to shut up, and leave, usually embarrassed, like in the last case. If people can't stand up to that, well, tough toenails.
It may come as news to you, but there are hundreds of Freepers here who aren't Americans at all. The fact that we are Indians wasn't surprising to most. It appears like you just made the discovery.
Not true at all, atleast with me. I've been a vocal proponent of a stronger alliance between India, Australia, Britain and America, for years, now. Include Israel, Thailand and Japan, too.
They ping each other and then gang up on any critic.
Technically, that's the purpose of a ping list.
I spent last night checking through the back posts of some and it is evident that it is more than just an accidental pattern.
You are kidding, right?
hehe.. you are absolutely right.. these MBA/Human resources folk are like vermin.
To make it worse, they sometimes got these 20-something airheads who just sometimes look down on engineers and tech people. Or those gay-ish behaving management folk who like to boss us around even though they cant do anything worthwhile by themselves. Of course atleast these days, most management is also being required to have a higher technical degree like MS, but that line of work is such that it corrupts technical people. Its as if they are mutating into management.
Starting your own company is good but you need experience. Atleast 10 years in industry. And after working 10 years, people have kids, family, mortgages, etc so taking risk is difficult. Thats why its good to work in start ups rather than big companies, that wont let you learn more than what you are supposed to be qualified for.
But yes, I did check the posting history of a few, as I often do. Why? It started to become apparent that any article posted to FR that criticized any event in India (e.g., gender-selective abortion), resulted in a bum-rush attack against the poster or any commentators. The blanket defense of India usually resulted in an attack on America (what about the number of children killed by abuse in America, as one defense went. How irrelevant is that to selective abortion?)
I know all about internet posting, the purpose of it, etc. But the purpose of FR is first and foremost to strengthen America, and to do so by uniting those who believe that the conservative approach is the best approach. And I’m all for open discussion. I lived in the heart of a city as antithetical to my beliefs as can possibly exist. I had no problem debating the issues with others. What ticks me is irrelevant criticism as part of a fallacious straw-man argument or red herring and adolescent name-calling.
Do you deny that there are some Indians on this board who go into hyperdrive attacking America and Britain? I’m not saying that all do. I’m saying that some do and it makes me wonder what their true motivation is. And don’t feel singled out. I do the same type of checking on libertarians, with whom I disagree and agree on many points (as I do with Indian posters).
I agree that the US has a vested interest in having a strong alliance with India. And I’m not so naive as to believe that national relations are based on anything but that which is in the best interest of each country at the moment (thus our being allied with Iraq at one time).
But some of these posters (again, I’m not saying you’re one of them) spew nothing less than vitriol at America, Christianity, the Catholic Church, Britain. They certainly don’t want me to encourage our representatives to forge a stronger alliance with India. In fact, as much as I dislike Pakistan and scratch my head over our ‘alliance’ with them, when I read some of the nasty Indo-centric comments, from a few Indian posters, I say to myself, “maybe there’s a good reason for siding with Pakistan at the moment rather than India.” Is there anything wrong with being Indo-centric? Of course not! I’m very Anglo-centric. But as I said, the primary purpose of FR is to strengthen America. That includes our alliances, which are better forged through friendship, respect, and loyalty rather than disdain and ridicule.
No. They do exist.
But as I said, the primary purpose of FR is to strengthen America. That includes our alliances, which are better forged through friendship, respect, and loyalty rather than disdain and ridicule.
I agree.
See GPM, Indians are more or less like Jews.
We have so many divisions - religion, north/south feelings, etc. Jews have some divisions - Ashkenazim and the rest.
Usually Indians fight a lot among each other and we dont have any concept of unity, except in bollywood movies. Americans are more united than Indians, frankly. You see so many black people (the educated non-ghetto types) who are proud to be american, but we got many Indians who fly the flag of our enemy country since they are supposedly muslim and dont like to be identified as Indians.
Same with Jews, who are not politically united at all and have very diverse ideologies.
But the only thing that unites a majority of the country is when a foreigner attacks. Especially these days on FR, we got all these anti-Indian stuff goin on. I dont care much about patriotism either, but the comments they make are sometimes hard not to be taken personally.
But I do agree that some Indian posters take the counter-attack too strongly. Sometimes me included.
You dont find that many Russians or Chinese taking offense to what some of you guys say. That is because they probably dont care. Most Indians reply strongly and in such large numbers because they like Americans very much and give a lot of importance to what you think about them and their country.
I’ll have to keep an eye out, because I honestly haven’t seen a lot of “Indian bashing.” I’ve seen a lot of offshore bashing (mainly from people who’ve lost jobs or who have friends/associates who have), and a lot of bashing of the Indian government. But I haven’t seen anyone showing maliciousness towards the Indian people (except for the occasional, stupid “curry” comment).
When Freepers bash the policies/actions of the Indian government, do you take that as Indian bashing? I get ticked when I hear of the Indian government meeting with the ChiComs and the neo Soviets to discuss tripartite arrangements because I do consider India an ally and the ChiComs and neo Soviets to be opponents, and I may bash such meetings, but that is not an attack on the people of India. Such is the same when I attack the ChiComs and Soviets. I’ve had many close relationships with Russians and Chinese and admire them greatly as a people. It’s the governing bodies of those countries, which I see as oppressing those admirable people and as a threat to the US, that I take issue with. You helped to clarify and confirm much of what I’ve come to learn about the situation in India, the government, and the voters. And it makes me side with the people of India all that much more.
“Most Indians reply strongly and in such large numbers because they like Americans very much and give a lot of importance to what you think about them and their country.”
I hope that is the case. And thanks for both showing enough respect for the US to express this viewpoint and clarifying that what appears to be hostility or disdain may actually be the result of feeling disrespected by those you respect.
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