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Bush Won't Promise to Pardon Border Agents
world net daily ^ | July 20, 2007 | staff

Posted on 07/21/2007 7:28:09 AM PDT by kellynla

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To: MNJohnnie
Wow, I am stunned by the “emotion” of your response. Your posting seems to denigrate any opinion that may be intuitive and not rational. Without granting you the opinions you oppose were derived at through feeling and not logic, I will point out some of the wisest people in history have given credit to their intuition [feelings] as well as their intellect for achieving breakthrough discoveries.

As to the question at hand. I am not influenced by the talk show hosts you demean. [Who, BTW, played a critical role in defeating that very poorly constructed piece of legislation about immigration.] I am influenced by having read the Ramos-Compean trial transcript, which was kept from the public for an extraordinary period.

Requesting that Pres. Bush intervene and pardon a perceived miscarriage of justice is neither conservative nor liberal. I have seen people on both ends of the political spectrum be opposed to the way this trial was conducted. That Article II, section 2 of the Constitution states the President has the power to issue pardons, simply means citizens are partitioning and exercising their constitutional rights to ask the President to exercise his.

I totally disagree with your characterization of the US Border Agents. But, that is your opinion. However, your inability to see the inappropriateness of their sentence concerns me. To alter an old saying, “Justice abused is justice denied!”

61 posted on 07/21/2007 10:13:43 AM PDT by FOXFANVOX (God Bless Tony Snow!)
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To: FOXFANVOX

What I find compelling is the transition in Cornyn’s position—toward full support of Compean and Ramos. Shortly before the hearings, he was singing some of the same Sutton/White House mantra, saying only that he thought the sentences seemed excessive.

He has since seen the misrepresentations made by the prosecution, the withholding of information from the jury, etc. Once he did his homework, he saw the light.


62 posted on 07/21/2007 10:14:18 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: kellynla

No pardon for these two, but 12-20 million pardons for people here illegally.

I think Jorge has lost it.


63 posted on 07/21/2007 10:17:28 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Cicero; All

“Yes, sure. My friend, Harriet Miers. My friend, Alberto Gonzalez. My friend, Johnny Sutton”

My friend, Gonzales.....My friend, Chertoff.....

ad nauseum!!


64 posted on 07/21/2007 10:18:56 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: kellynla

Thanks for the info, Kelly!

B U M P


65 posted on 07/21/2007 10:23:19 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Reagan Man

“Screw Bush and Sutton!”

Right now, it is the other way around : )


66 posted on 07/21/2007 10:25:40 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: calcowgirl
This is the gift of what you are doing, calcowgirl. You are illuminating this miscarriage for the many people who did not have the time to thoroughly research it. Johnny Sutton seems like the clean cut “good guy” until you look behind the curtain. Between being a pal of Pres. Bush and having been allowed to shape the presentation, many people accepted his assertions.

His first talking point was “an unarmed person...was shot in the back.” Well, it turns out the only person who knew the first “fact” for certain was Davila, and he had no incentive whatever to admit it. The second “fact” was, in fact, proven wrong by the medical examiner who said the bullet entered Davila’s left buttock from the SIDE! So after distorting the “facts” in such a way to a jury who counted on the prosecutors not distorting the truth, Sutton claims the jury’s verdict vindicates him. But, then he always seems to over look the members of the jury who admitted they would NOT have voted “guilty” had they had the information that Sutton suppressed.

This case is uncomfortably like the one here in North Carolina where the DA just was fired and disbarred for suppressing evidence that would have proven the Duke students innocent. I can only hope a similar fate awaits Mr. Sutton, but I will not hold my breath.

67 posted on 07/21/2007 10:32:56 AM PDT by FOXFANVOX (God Bless Tony Snow!)
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To: FOXFANVOX
I can only hope a similar fate awaits Mr. Sutton

Me too!

68 posted on 07/21/2007 10:36:57 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: NapkinUser; MNJohnnie
I remember a thread a month ago when the same mantra, vitriol, insults and name-calling was posted, along with showing a complete ignorance of the case. Hit-and-run was the name of the game--I'm still waiting for a response to my post. I guess he considered National Review a "fringe publication," too.
69 posted on 07/21/2007 10:43:29 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; MNJohnnie

You’re welcome.

working with new pc & Vista
the reference link did not come up in the post for whatever reason.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2007/02/17/lets_prosecute_drug_smugglers,_not_border_patrol_agents&Comments=true

Like all good Marines, I am off to “hit the beach!”LOL

Have a good one!


70 posted on 07/21/2007 11:04:11 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla; stephenjohnbanker
I got to watch the hearings on C-Span last night, re-broadcast from Tuesday.
My favorite part was when Sen. Feinstein was aghast by how Sutton sided with the drug dealer instead of going after him.
She also nailed him for calling the mule a "guy" and not a "drug dealer" or something similar.
Sutton was bragging about how he went on some show and called the dealer a "doper"...
71 posted on 07/21/2007 11:04:44 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

Does anyone know the website for donating to help these agents’ families? I hear they are stretched to the limit for keeping their families intact.


72 posted on 07/21/2007 11:08:06 AM PDT by Tampa Caver
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To: Tampa Caver

I just donated and I think it was through Grassfire. Let me see if I can find a link. I trust that org and believe the money will get to the agents.


73 posted on 07/21/2007 11:12:18 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Tampa Caver

OK, there are links in the center of this page to donate. They also recently sent us the agents’ addresses, but those are on my other computer. Maybe they are listed on this site too.

http://www.grassfire.org/


74 posted on 07/21/2007 11:15:22 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: kellynla

GWB is afraid of offending muslims and leftists. After all, he needed the democrap’s help in trying to ram Shamnesty down our throats.


75 posted on 07/21/2007 11:15:23 AM PDT by Levante
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To: angelcindy

“He has no intentions of pardoning them...”

As he has no intentions of dealing with Iran, either. Those miserable, subhuman bastards will continue to kill our troops, while we sit around with our thumbs up our backsides.


76 posted on 07/21/2007 11:17:50 AM PDT by Levante
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To: kellynla

Have a great weekend, kelly!


77 posted on 07/21/2007 11:23:28 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: plain talk

Not stupid; arrogant and stubborn. Just as he is on illegal immigration. He actually thinks his experience with Mexico and a Mexican nanny in Texas translates to justice and reality today. He is wrong and a dunderhead here. But, those two character traits also make him right on the WOT. Why he cannot see the two questions are linked is beyond me but it is not stupidity , it is self righteousness.


78 posted on 07/21/2007 11:24:34 AM PDT by phillyfanatic ( w)
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To: Borax Queen

Sutton came off as a “hack” for Bush and the Mexican consulate !!


79 posted on 07/21/2007 11:25:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Totally!


80 posted on 07/21/2007 11:26:53 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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