Posted on 07/19/2007 2:03:08 PM PDT by Rodney King
Yeah, there's a real Christian attitude for you.
I seem to recall a group of people 2,000 years ago urging the judge to punish someone...
holding someone responsible for their actions is very Christian. Its in the bible.
So, you pretty much figure Christ was just another drug pusher?
Yeah, CRUCIFY HIM!
They crucified him for our actions, not his.
Forgiviness is biblical but that does not mean there is no punishment. Complying with our nations laws is also biblical.
But your apparent hatred for Christians is entertaining and informative.
I hate Christians because I don't think they should sit around demanding that judges crucify people for harming themselves?
I am a Christian.
Reading the article, they were mostly drug users, sinners. Now, Jesus of course was not a sinner, but I don't recall him asking Pilate to punish ANY of the sinners around him. But maybe I missed that part of the bible.
So drug dealers and drunk drivers are only hurting themselves?
The bible says we should comply with our nations laws. Failure to do so is disobedience to God. There are exceptions of our leaders are not following God. I don’t see how a law banning drugs is non-biblical.
Jesus didn’t break any laws.
Didn't say that. You sure love putting words in other peoples mouths. Why don't you just make your case, and let me make mine.
The bible says we should comply with our nations laws. Failure to do so is disobedience to God. There are exceptions of our leaders are not following God. I don’t see how a law banning drugs is non-biblical.
Please tell me where in the Bible Jesus demanded of the government that they go extra hard on sinners. I'll be waiting.
Maybe you can help me find the biblical passage where Jesus goes to Pilate and demands that he be extra harsh on criminals.
They were urging a judge to punish a man who had committed no crime.
That is kind of an important difference.
Yeah, there's a real Christian attitude for you.
Show me where it says in the bible that criminals that don't repent and continue to commit crimes should not be punished.
Forgiveness is always available to those that repent, but the bible also have many examples of God punishing those who repented, though the punishment might not be as severe.
Christianity is not humanism where no one is wrong.
There are consequences for your actions. Luckily for all of us (ALL OF US, myself included) God forgives us when we repent and we are spared the wost of punishments. However, that doesn't mean we won't or shouldn't suffer ill effects for our own misdeeds.
Maybe you can help me find the part where Jesus spends his days trying to make society better by demanding that the government come down extra hard on criminals.
Thank goodness somebody is there making sure non-violent drug offenders are put in jail where they belong. That way they can’t harm themselves...errr us, anymore.
I didn't say that they shouldn't be punished. But, making a religious movement out of demanding that the government be harder on criminals is nothing that Jesus did, or asked that his followers do.
I don't object to the guy in this article doing what he is doing. I object to him making it a Christian thing.
You were slamming Christians in general for this guys actions of insisting criminal behavior be dealt with. You then said you hated Christians for punishing people for doing things that only hurt themselves. The story indicated these were drug and alcohol crimes. You stopped making your case when you started insulting Christians.
Jesus did not demand the government go extra hard on sinners. To my knowledge he never said anything about governments addressing sin. Thats God’s job. He does talk about our responsibility as Christians to abide by our governments laws. Believe its in Romans among other places.
Do our leaders follow God, or do they follow Satan? How many of our leaders truly walk as disciples of Christ, and live lives that show evidence of sanctification? How many live lives focused on worldly things such as power, money, and influence? If you can honestly tell me you think that most of our leaders are genuine disciples of Christ I feel sorry for you.
I did no such thing.
. You then said you hated Christians for punishing people for doing things that only hurt themselves.
I did no such thing.
you started insulting Christians.
I insulted the Christains in this story. I did not insult Christains. Sorry. Not my fault you are overly sensitive.
Jesus did not demand the government go extra hard on sinners. To my knowledge he never said anything about governments addressing sin. Thats God’s job.
OK, I stand corrected.
He does talk about our responsibility as Christians to abide by our governments laws. Believe its in Romans among other places.
Yes he did. But, I do not recall him making a mission out of demanding that the government treat prisoners more harshly, or throw more of them in jail. We are called to act like jesus. What would jesus do? These people have a political mission, that is fine. They are using the Lord's name to do their political work. That is wrong.
What's your objection to seeing laws enforced?
Anyway, this fellow doesn't seem to asking anyone to be "extra harsh".
Uh, it seems pretty clear to me that he doesn't think the government is being hard enough on crimianals, and wants them to be harder on them.
That's fine, but to do it in Jesus's name is wrong. Jesus had ample opportunity to try to improve society by lobbying for tougher punishment for criminals. He didn't do so. Therefore, his followers shouldn't do it in his name.
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