Posted on 07/17/2007 10:56:59 PM PDT by American in Israel
The Palestinians have 20,000 M16's from the USA, and Sniper rifles with CIA training, for peace of course. They have tens of thousands more AK47's from the peace process thanks to Clinton talking Israel into supplying Arafat. They have over a Billion bucks to buy fresh toys from Iran, which has been shipping military artillery rocketry by the ton over the Once monitored UN border, till the UN ran away with Egypt.
The daily shelling with rockets by Israeli towns is not bottle rockets, as they are blowing six foot holes in reinforced concrete roofs. The Russian Anti-Tank rounds are pretty effective, beyond the normal IED crap that goes on all the time. Face it, a 40,000 man army in uniform with automatic weapons is a bit beyond bottle and rock throwing that is only done for the Media. But the media game works, hey, you bought in to it.
No the harvest is not over, it is prime summer season. Farms to not take the summer off in America, why should they do that in Israel? The weather in Israel is the same as California.
You ever try and grow tomatoes in winter?
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I find their logic enormously spotty.
There are quite a number of your perspective.
G-d does govern the universe, no question. As for offering us pardon, I'd say that He has offered us the opportunity to earn pardon. We each have some of that opportunity presented to us many times each day, as G-d has tailored our lives to be a constant series of tests based on our circumstances and our internal predispositions.
In post #217 (last line), he said:
And considering the number of chr*stians who want a warrior-messiah, that charge against the Jews is really getting old and hypocritical." [Emphasis added]
In post #218 you responded:
That we Christians want a “warrior like Messiah that will charge against the Jews” is just not so." [Emphasis added]
You seem to think that ZC spoke of a "warrior that will charge against the Jews," whereas he clearly spoke of "the charge against the Jews." Looked at by someone not directly involved "the charge against the Jews" that ZC talks about seems to be referring to an accusation, not a description of what a "warrior-like Messiah" would do. Simply put, I think that you misunderstood him.
Thanks, ZC, for those kind words, and those that follow in your post.
Anti-Hillary, I have NO animus for you - none whatsoever, as I've made clear in other posts on this thread. However, ZC references a theological argument that stretches back roughly 2,000 years, one that makes the hair on most Jews' neck immediately stand at attention, namely proselytization. I don't think that this is your intention, but statements like this from your post #24:
If more Jews had studied and understood the prophecies of the Old Testament, more of them would have recognized Jesus as the Messiah.
however well-intentioned, do have the effect, as I said, of making my hair stand on end (even if my faith, my knowledge of history and my logical reasoning are strong enough that I know such statements won't affect me). Just for comparison, just to let you know what it feels like, I'm going to post below something that I grabbed off of the Internet yesterday (I can't remember where, or I'd give the author the credit he's due). It is meant ONLY as a teaching tool for you and others like you, well-meaning people who probably don't know how people like me feel. Here it is:
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How Would Christians Feel?
How would Christians feel if Muslims set up a group of mock Christian churches and a mock Christianity called Prophetic Christianity targeting authentic Christians and attempted to convert Christians to Islam by telling them that only by accepting Mohammed as the final prophet, would they become Completed Christians.
These "Churches" would be overseen by Imams who would call themselves Ministers and would be specifically selected from Christian converts to Islam to preach a form of Islam thinly disguised as Christianity. These "Churches" would feature celebrations of Islamicised Christmas' and Easter's centering on Mohammed.
Christians should ask themselves how they would feel about such Mosques disguised as Churches and Imams disguised as Ministers. Yet Christian groups have invested billions of dollars over the years in doing precisely this very thing to Jews. How do you think we feel about it?
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No, I'm not accusing you of being a "Messianic Jew" or of supporting such groups, but they have the same message that you stated in post #24. Just think about it. Again, I know you mean well, I know that your statement of faith in your religion was meant only as that (at least I hope and believe so), but stating (in slightly different words) that "Jews, your religion has been superceded by a better one" doesn't exactly give me or other Jews the warm & fuzzies. Since I know that this isn't your intention, I ask you simply to put yourselves in our shoes, just for a few minutes.
I saw two articles about us moving away from Israel since yesterday. Things are moving fast.
The quickening?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1868408/posts
BTTT
We disagree on much and this isn't the proper forum for a debate that would take many books to make. I'll just leave it at that and say that my belief is that you and I both serve the same God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.
Please take comfort in knowing that the vast majority of today's Christians support our Jewish brothers and sisters in every way. Anti-semitism definitely goes against the teachings of Jesus and if you ever meet a "Christian" anti-semite they are either (1) not really Christian; or (2) a very sin-filled Christian.
If they ever come for the Jews in America they'll have to take out hundreds of thousands of Christians first and I'll fight to the death for you to worship in your synagogue.
I saw the thread, thanks for the ping!
I very much appreciate your kind and moral words. It gives me great comfort to know that there are millions, if not tens of millions, of genuinely good and moral people like you in this country. I know this from personal experience (as well as reading posts of a similar nature here and elsewhere on the WWW) because I had the pleasure of attending “A Night to Honor Israel” at Pastor Hagee’s church several months ago. It literally brought tears to my eyes to hear such an outpouring of friendship from so many speakers and members of the congregation, much less the knowledge that millions were watching on TV and agreeing.
As for the fact that we serve the same (and only) G-d, that’s true. Judaism’s G-d-given beliefs specifically provide for righteous Gentiles to have a place in The World to Come (i.e. Heaven) if they abide by the 7 Noahide Laws. These are, for you or anyone else not familiar with them, laws of general morality given by G-d to Noah. Here’s a link and the basic laws (which, like every other G-d- or man-made law, are far more complex than they seem on the surface):
1. BELIEF IN G-D
Do not worship Idols
2. RESPECT G-D AND PRAISE HIM
Do Not Blaspheme His Name
3. RESPECT HUMAN LIFE
Do Not Murder
4. RESPECT THE FAMILY
Do Not Commit Immoral Sexual Acts
5. RESPECT FOR OTHERS’ RIGHTS AND PROPERTY
Do Not Steal
6. CREATION OF A JUDICIAL SYSTEM
Pursue Justice
7. RESPECT ALL CREATURES
Do not be cruel to animals.
Again, thanks for your kind words.
Thanks.
Sounds like the globalist traitors, puppet masters
have spoken.
When GOD SPEAKS emphatically,
He will shake HEAVEN AND EARTH.
I guess you missed my clarification a few replies later. It's just automatic for most westerners, even those familiar enough not to make the mistake of equating date for date, even though they overlap. Try not to get too frustrated, lol. It once sounded strange to me, the concept of having days begin at sunset, but then I began to wonder at the logic of having days begin in the middle of the night, as we do.
If pure logic had anything to do with it, the day's date would begin with sunrise.
I'm sorry, but you completely misconstrued my post. I am sorry if I mistyped something, but the point I was making was that so many chr*stians want a warrior-messiah that it is hypocritical for them to then criticize Jews for wanting a warrior-messiah. Do you understand? If you want a warrior-messiah who rules the world from Jerusalem, then you cannot criticize me for wanting a warrior-messiah who rules the world from Jerusalem since we're both wanting the same thing in that regard.
Thank you for your support of Israel and the Jewish People!
His logic sounds like it is out of a Clinton State Department briefing file. You hit all the reasons that it doesn't compute in the real world.
My first thought when I read the "9th of AV" is the date, several hundred years apart, that a Jewish Temple was destroyed in Jesuralem was.....Ahmadinejad! That's the kind of reasoning a believer in the 12th Imam would use to start the war.
Hopefully, the Israeli military and maybe Bibi Netanyahu have a plan to shuffle Olmert aside as soon as hostilities start. Olmert has no business running a war of survival!!
Finally; I think I remember reading that Assad has threatened to attack by the Fall if Israel doesn't return the Golan by then. Anyone recall that post - If so I'd love a link.
And will forever continue in that vein.
Are you right, yet? Anything new going on? (I've been out all day....no t.v., either.)
LOL! So true.
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