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If we leave Iraq, do we lose for good?
Salon ^ | July 11, 2007 | Camille Paglia

Posted on 07/11/2007 12:05:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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1 posted on 07/11/2007 12:05:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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2 posted on 07/11/2007 12:09:54 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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Turns out that you are with us or you are a running dog lackey of the Islamofascist imperialists who intend to kill us and take over our country putting all of our women, even the diesel dykes, into faceless bags.

There really is no middle ground in this one.

3 posted on 07/11/2007 12:10:37 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Her reply is just more proof that the Rats are, in more then one way,living in fairyland.


4 posted on 07/11/2007 12:11:17 PM PDT by bybybill (HUNT RINOS IN THE PRIMARIES, SKIN RATS IN THE FALL)
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Call it the War On Kufir if you prefer. Either way, we are in it whether we want to be or not.

Peace is when BOTH sides stop waging war.


5 posted on 07/11/2007 12:11:37 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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The stock price on Salon would be doing great...if investing was like golf.


6 posted on 07/11/2007 12:12:21 PM PDT by RexBeach
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They get a financial boost every year or so by some well heeled Democrats.

I guess Salon is still a part of the 2008 election strategy.


7 posted on 07/11/2007 12:13:56 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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“Who are we to demand or enforce such exclusivity and privilege? Why should our own self-interest take priority over that of all others?” Is this guy crazy? “Who are we”? We are the U.S. and we can make decisions for ourselves as to who we believe will support us and who won’t. It’s as simple as that. We are not and never been followers. We may not have always been right in what we do but we don’t, as American citizens, like other countries trying to tell us what we should or shouldn’t do. I agree with our President, or any of our Presidents, if they want to know who is with us or against us. Lay it out and tell it like it is. Force us to decide and we make make big mistakes but we will decide.


8 posted on 07/11/2007 12:14:39 PM PDT by RC2
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When you say that we are in a "60-plus-year ideological struggle," I assume you are thinking of the start of the Cold War, when the United States and the Soviet Union, allies against Hitler, became bitter rivals for world influence in a nuclear arms race that cast a terrifying shadow on anyone who grew up (as I did) in the 1950s.

You assume incorrectly, you moron. Try 1947 and the formation of Israel, and the ongoing Jihad against the Jews as the start of the "60-plus-year idological struggle."

9 posted on 07/11/2007 12:15:05 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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Yes, although I’d be more inclined to call it a 1,500 year ideological struggle, which began to heat up again 60 years ago.


10 posted on 07/11/2007 12:18:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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“Some Democrats want to blame talk radio for this sorry development. But as a long-time fan of that medium, I beg to disagree. The major talk show hosts, such as Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, are dynamic personalities who balance attack and scorn with humor and creative improvisation. The mutterings among Democrat senators about a restoration of the Fairness Doctrine (to engineer political balance in broadcasting) should appall every defender of free speech. Talk radio is an art form like any other entertainment genre: Liberals must study and master it and build an audience from the bottom up.”


11 posted on 07/11/2007 12:18:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Indianhead Division: Second To None!)
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Free Version:

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12 posted on 07/11/2007 12:18:46 PM PDT by pacelvi
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try.1350.years,rounded.up.an.even.1400


13 posted on 07/11/2007 12:19:29 PM PDT by himno hero
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Didn’t Limbaugh read that on his show last week?


14 posted on 07/11/2007 12:22:13 PM PDT by Froufrou
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“Since when did any nation — even America, which I love — become the dictatorial arbiter of morality?”

Since we do not use children and women as shields in combat areas

Since we do not behead captives

Since we do not extort UN monies for purchase of arms while citizens do without

Since we do not strap bombs to ourselves and walk into a crowded school yard

Since we do not intentionally drop poisonous bombs on our own or any people

Tell me when to stop......

We are BETTER THAN THEY ARE BECAUSE WE DO NOT/CANNOT DO WHAT THEY DO!!!!!!!

15 posted on 07/11/2007 12:23:19 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the soldiers and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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“Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists” — may please the ear with its syntactical symmetries, but it reveals a shockingly simplistic reading of geopolitics”

What is it about this matter that they can’t get their minds around?

If you aren’t with us, you are with them. Simplistic. Very. Muzzlims keep things on the lowest common denominator. They aren’t capable of going beyond. If you aren’t muzzlim, they will convert you or kill you. Simple

Hey, Camille, much of life is simple: lions will eat you, simple. Fire will kill you, simple. Muzzlims will kill you, simple. You cannot negotiate with them, simple. They are a disease, .223 is the cure, simple.

Her complete ignorance of geopolitics is shocking.

Apparently Camille baby is ignorant of our history with this disease. It goes back beyond 60 years. She completely missed what Mr. Randall was saying. What is she wandering around in the Cold War past for? He was talking about our entanglement with muzzlims.

Hey, Camille, who did we fight in the Philippines circa 1920? Bet you don’t know.

The war is with islam. The battle field today is Iraq. Simple.

Yup, I’m just a dumb, uneducated Pollack farmer from the backwash of PA. Got no idea bout that geopolitic stuff.

But I can understand how simple this whole thing really is: Kill them before they kill us. And the fact that we can kill them somewhere other than my back yard, is a real bonus.


16 posted on 07/11/2007 12:27:46 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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I cannot say we lose “For Good”, but your kids will eventually pay a terrible price for this failure.

It may not be immediate, or even 10 years out, but Radical ISlam will evenbtually have to be stopped.

The only question is how many millions of innocents will die because of it.


17 posted on 07/11/2007 12:27:53 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE Democrat! You don't those stinkin' Freedoms anyway!)
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If this chick is one of the top 100 intellectuals, that doesn’t say much for intellectuals!...


18 posted on 07/11/2007 12:28:13 PM PDT by Edgerunner (If leftists don't like it, I do. Keep your powder dry...)
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If we leave Iraq, do we lose for good?

Dear Camille,

Yes.

The two most obvious examples are Japan and Vietnam.

We didn't leave Japan until they had a government that was willing and able to defend Japan and partner with the US in opposing radicalism and terrorism as tools to install tyranny over humans.

We did leave Vietnam and Congress failed to support and resupply the South Vietnamese. Despite heroic efforts the South fell and radical tyranny and genocide were imposed on South East Asia. The reputation of the US was severely damaged, and this is one place that world opinion is worth worrying about.

19 posted on 07/11/2007 12:41:16 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Zimbabwe, leftist success story, the envy of Venezuela)
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BFLR.


20 posted on 07/11/2007 12:56:14 PM PDT by Rummyfan (Iraq: it's not about Iraq anymore, it's about the USA!)
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