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Did Giuliani really bust N.Y.C. crime - or was it science?
The Concord Monitor ^ | July 9, 2007 | SHANKAR VEDANTAM

Posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:26 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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FWIW.
1 posted on 07/09/2007 1:32:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Crime is going to be a big issue over the next several years.


2 posted on 07/09/2007 1:34:16 PM PDT by Brilliant
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“lead poisoning accounts for much of the variation in violent crime in the United States.”

Apparently, lead poisoning must be on the increase then.


3 posted on 07/09/2007 1:35:40 PM PDT by Brilliant
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I thought it was because of Dinkins’ police initiatives...or was it Clinton’s COPS program? Certainly there’s NO chance the mayor of New York had anything to do with it....


4 posted on 07/09/2007 1:35:52 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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How can this be if we are one step away from a Global Cataclysm...What a bunch of BS.

I guess Camden NJ is now the Lead capital of the world!

5 posted on 07/09/2007 1:35:57 PM PDT by frogjerk (If ignorance was bliss, liberals would be happy.)
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Every week there is a new pet theory relating the drop in violent crime to increased abortions, or to reduced lead poisoning, or to the death of the original wave of crackheads or some such rot.

Violent crime is down because of:

(1) Giuliani and other mayors implementing Jack Maple's CompStat program for tracking crimes and punishing QOL violations, and

(2) Putting more violent criminals behind bars for longer.

6 posted on 07/09/2007 1:36:37 PM PDT by wideawake ("Pearl Harbor is America's fault, right, Mommy?" Ron Paul, age 6, 12/7/1941)
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(2) Putting more violent criminals behind bars for longer.

Bingo! I still remember reading newspaper story after newspaper story about how people were confounded that while crime is dropping, more people are in prison longer. They couldn't figure out the connection and that if you keep criminals in prison they don't commit crimes!

7 posted on 07/09/2007 1:39:51 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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Proper application of lead delivered at high velocity can stop a crime.


8 posted on 07/09/2007 1:40:08 PM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: 1riot1ranger; Action-America; Aggie Mama; Alkhin; Allegra; American72; antivenom; Antoninus II; ...

Houston’s crime rate has gone up and up for nearly a decade.

Explain the science behind that without blaming our mayors and police/crime lab.


9 posted on 07/09/2007 1:40:28 PM PDT by weegee (If the Fairness Doctrine is imposed on USA who will CNN news get to read the conservative rebuttal)
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Also, the fall of the Berlin Wall was due to the fact that the East Germans had started using an inferior grade of Mortar back in the mid-1980’s.

/S


10 posted on 07/09/2007 1:41:18 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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I'm willing to give Rudy credit for reducing crime in NYC. That said, I believe that there is a much different skill set needed to be President of the United States, versus Mayor of New York City.

I'd be quite happy if Rudy had challenged Hillary for the US Senate in either 2000 or 2006, New York would be much better off with him in that position, and the country would be better off if she had simply been defeated, and living back in Illinois after the divorce...

11 posted on 07/09/2007 1:41:52 PM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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FWIW-not much. this is a most pathetic situation, when they have to reach this far....crime isn’t the fault of the criminal. it’s a result of an environmental factor, which could have been prevented if only everyone had the same income.


12 posted on 07/09/2007 1:42:00 PM PDT by wildwood
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Not worth much. :)

I was young when Guiliani first came in, but even I remember the lib press screaming because he took the homeless off the benches and the squeegee men off the streets.

Just the fact the left hated him so much indicated to me he was doing good. I remember all the hospital workers protesting in the streets before the election, crying Doom! if Guiliani won.

The night he one I remember the anchor! very upset on TV saying, “You people are going to get what you deserve.” He couldn’t believe NYer’s voted for a Republican. He was black, so he probably thought all the minorites would be dragged out into the streets.


13 posted on 07/09/2007 1:43:26 PM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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EXACTLY! I guess Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans are swimming in lead.

The way this study is applied here could be disproved rather simply by correlating the current crime rates in high crime cities and those with recent sustained increases with lead paint exposure.

Hey, I wonder if the New Orleans evacuees brought lead paint exposure with them to Houston?

14 posted on 07/09/2007 1:43:40 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Just like against terrorism, in politics you can't be on the defensive all the time!!!!)
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The thing is, Rudy is being arrogant about fighting crime - and 9/11 too. He's done a respectable job, I say respectable because these weren't his ideas to begin with. He merely put a sociologist's theory to practice and got lucky it worked as it did.

But he wasn't the Batman like his groupies insinuate he was.

15 posted on 07/09/2007 1:45:30 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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“Nevin does not say lead is the only factor behind crime, but he says it’s the biggest.”

I quit reading there. Upbringing and role-modeling is the biggest, imo


16 posted on 07/09/2007 1:45:55 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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Proper application of lead delivered at high velocity can stop a crime.

LOL!

"Lead... both the cause and solution to crime."

17 posted on 07/09/2007 1:48:02 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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Houston’s crime rate has gone up and up for nearly a decade. Explain the science behind that without blaming our mayors and police/crime lab.

And sending in thousands of Katrina criminals isn't helping.

18 posted on 07/09/2007 1:48:21 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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Rooty Toot wants everyone to respect his record on reducing crime while Mayor of the big apple. Yet this NYCity liberal believes a Constitutional right exists for abortion on demand and for women to kill their unborn children.

Respect for human life throughout every stage of development should be of paramount concern to all people. Especially Presidential candidates attempting to garner the nomination of America’s major pro-life party.

Giuliani isn’t qualified to be the GOP nominee, for a myriad of reasons.

19 posted on 07/09/2007 1:48:29 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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EXACTLY! I guess Detroit, Baltimore, and New Orleans are swimming in lead.

They are! Problem is, it is traveling at high speed in a very directional manner.

20 posted on 07/09/2007 1:50:09 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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