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Lessons From the Immigration Debacle
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | 07/06/2007 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 07/07/2007 3:53:56 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: amihow
She is an elitist with a Spanish surname.

That she is.

41 posted on 07/07/2007 9:05:34 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: neverdem
An August 2005 Time poll of Hispanics revealed 61 percent considered illegal immigration either an "extremely serious" or "very serious" problem, and 41 percent thought the U.S. was not doing enough to secure its bor ders against illegal immigration, while 19 percent felt it was doing "too much." More recently, a June Gallup poll found an overwhelming majority of Hispanic Americans (71 percent) feel immigration levels should stay at current levels or decrease.

Bush/Kennedy loved the illegals... that's about it.

42 posted on 07/07/2007 9:07:04 PM PDT by GOPJ (A bunch of bands taking big tax breaks isn't a "movement" - "Live Earth" ? More "rent a crowd"...)
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To: neverdem

this bill taight me that most Hispanic leaders identify with their own group as latinos over other political ideology

scary

the notion that only “whites” should not defend group identity and that many whites willingly accpet that as just is one of history’s weakest moments


43 posted on 07/07/2007 9:08:49 PM PDT by wardaddy (I loved Apocalypto)
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To: wardaddy

Agreed.


44 posted on 07/07/2007 9:11:27 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Wait and see what happens when the rest of America finds out about Bush's sneaky plan for the "North American Union", which would erase our borders and form "The Americas", consisting of America, Canada and Mexico. Gosh, we'll be just like the European Union, what a plan!

18 states have introduced resolutions calling on their federal representatives to halt work on the North American Union (they include Virginia and South Carolina). Three of these states (Idaho, Montana and Oklahoma) have passed their resolutions.

When news of this comes out, it will be impeachment time, then MUCHO prison time (after the tar and feathers) for all the traitors who would destroy America's sovereignty.

45 posted on 07/07/2007 9:14:02 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Jorge


Pretty close. No mention of any amnesty opponents who are not labeled with the euphemism for "racist."

latino fear and loathing
46 posted on 07/07/2007 9:14:53 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: janetgreen
When news of this comes out, it will be impeachment time, then MUCHO prison time (after the tar and feathers) for all the traitors who would destroy America's sovereignty.

I pray for that day!

47 posted on 07/07/2007 9:15:19 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks for the kind words.

Have you considered relocating? (Only kidding!)

Stay put and do your best to get rid of those two.

Be safe...


48 posted on 07/07/2007 9:29:22 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Wor)
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To: Dick Bachert

No kidding, I have more than considered. It will be done, lol!

It’s not possible to get rid of these jerks; as soon as they’re gone, their replacement pods will be sent in.

Good post!


49 posted on 07/07/2007 9:32:52 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Pretty close. No mention of any amnesty opponents who are not labeled with the euphemism for "racist."

Thanks for the link.

While I agree with much of what she says, I don't agree with her labeling most of those who opposed the immigration bill as racists.

For example, while I agree with amnesty for many who've been here for years on end...I also support building a wall on the border as an issue of national security. Not because I hate Mexicans.

50 posted on 07/07/2007 9:34:06 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: neverdem
Columnist Linda Chavez predicted, "...Republicans who believe this is going to help them at the polls in 2008 may well find themselves sitting on the back benches for years to come."

Spare us the spin, Linda. I emailed Townhall to have your columns removed. You're a disgrace to conservatism.

51 posted on 07/07/2007 9:44:26 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: neverdem

Lessons from the Immigration Victory.

There. Fixed it.


52 posted on 07/07/2007 9:47:16 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

#1 lesson that needs to be learned by this:

immigration amnesty is political poison.

#2 lesson that need to be learned by this:

there is a great need for American employers for jobs that Maricans won’t do.

I’m totally against amnesty, but I AM in favor of increaing the immigration of those that are willing to do the jobs that Americans won’t do. Our economy and way of life is totally dependent upon these people.

I want to hear your objections if you are a farmer that hasn’t had to plow their crop under because they couldn’t get “wetbacks” to harvest crops, or those that don’t want to work knee deep in chicken doo-doo. I want to hear your replies if you are an American that works in a rendering plant.

I really don’t care to hear from you if you are an American working in a UAW, AFL/CIO manufacturing plant; its all too clear where that’s going.

What I have issues with are employees being exploited, e.g. Nigeria, China, Philipines, Malaysia, et ali.

We all understand why people work in those places for $0.25/day; American Labor Law lawyers haven’t been exported to thoe locations yet.

On the other hand, there is an INTENSE demand for works on American farms (for example).

The argument goes like this: pay American workers enough money to do the job, they’ll do it. I know full well that Wisconcin dairy farmers are paying their imported Mexican workers $32k/annually. The reason that they’re paying imported employees is because otherwise they’d be labor-short.

Its also interesting to hear what the American employer has to say about the work ethic of their foriegn labor pool.

That there are disgusting jobs that no American will do at ANY price is beyond ANY dispute.

What I AM opposed to though is the putrefactant process of EXCLUDING American citizen candidates for American jobs. There is some heinous crap going on with that.

That’s absolutely correct: call those phone numbers and let YOUR voice be heard.


53 posted on 07/07/2007 10:06:14 PM PDT by raygun (Why hasn't the "meat-cake" at the back of my fridge been voted one of the 7 Ancient Wonders?)
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To: Jorge

This is what I believe: There are many people who would support some sort of amnesty (not necessarily for criminals and gang members), if our government would do a better job controlling the borders, enforcing expired visas, and busting employers of illegal aliens. I don’t think that will happen while Bush is POTUS.


54 posted on 07/07/2007 10:24:47 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: wardaddy
the notion that only “whites” should not defend group identity and that many whites willingly accpet that as just is one of history’s weakest moments

It should be obvious as only white devils ever committed all the evil in this world. /s

55 posted on 07/07/2007 11:21:40 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: nicmarlo
(Unfortunately, I have two idyot senators: Clinton and Schumer.)

Two of the better examples for an amendement for term limits in Congress.

56 posted on 07/07/2007 11:24:37 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks for the ping.>p>Excellent suggestion - Martinez and Nelson are my congress critters - I would enjoy a round or two with both.


57 posted on 07/08/2007 3:54:00 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (An American Patriot and an anti-Islam kind of fellow. (POI))
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To: neverdem

However, if one state does term limits, they ALL should. I’ve had long discussions about this. The determining factor on who heads up committees is length of time in office. Committee heads have a lot of power. They can bury good bills, never bring them up for discussion. Also, length of time in office brings you to membership of more important committees. Therefore, if many states do not have term limits, and only some do, only these states which do will be penalized.

There’s no way to make this a blanket decision to all states as to limiting terms, unless, I think, an amendment’s passed. And that’s just not going to happen, of course.


58 posted on 07/08/2007 5:59:08 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
I would enjoy a round or two with both.

Very good suggestion. And, of course, you'd have to be well prepared! Hope you can do it at some point (soon).

59 posted on 07/08/2007 6:01:05 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: neverdem

What about McCain’s prediction that the illegals would riot if amnesty didn’t pass? It has been pretty quiet so far. Has the defeat of the amnesty bill demoralized the amnesty crowd, or is this the quiet before the storm?


60 posted on 07/08/2007 7:53:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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