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Lessons From the Immigration Debacle
HUMAN EVENTS ^ | 07/06/2007 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 07/07/2007 3:53:56 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Jorge
“And for those who changed positions due to the public outcry were definitely thinking about the polls.”

I was sort of hoping that they decided they wouldn’t support a bad bill.

21 posted on 07/07/2007 6:55:28 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: nj26

BUMP!!


22 posted on 07/07/2007 6:58:27 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: neverdem

 

Send Woodrow F. Call & Augustus McCrae down to the border, with Pea Eye, Deets, Newt, and Dish Boggett..

I'm betting they'd do a better job of cleaning up this mess than the U.S. Gubmint.

23 posted on 07/07/2007 7:04:04 PM PDT by Fintan (Feiny hates me. Dasher hates me. Where's the beer???)
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To: Jorge

>>Probably more conservative than you are in many respects considering she is accepted and promoted on TownHall.com as a conservative columnist.<<

I posed the question whether she is a consevative, but since you press the matter, I will give you my opinion: She has not been conservative lately.

But your idea of “consevative” may be joining with Ted Kennedy to give instant legal status to criminals, and to label principled opponents of such amnesty with some synonym of “racist”’


24 posted on 07/07/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

Remember, she had an illegal nanny and had to back out of public service.

She is an elitist with a Spanish surname.


25 posted on 07/07/2007 7:12:08 PM PDT by amihow
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

typo: consevative->conservative


26 posted on 07/07/2007 7:14:07 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: nj26

Thanks for the website information. I signed the petition. I called, faxed, emailed and personally visited his office in DC during the immigration bill debate. All to no avail...Florida’s other senator (Bill Nelson) was no better.

Those that voted on the wrong side should all be recalled.

“It does not take a majority to prevail...but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men” - Samuel Adams


27 posted on 07/07/2007 7:18:52 PM PDT by ripnbang ("the difference between a welfare state and totalitarianism is a matter of time")
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To: Fintan

Woodrow Call: Well what does it say in Latin?
[Gus blusters some gibberish]
Woodrow Call: For all you know it invites people to rob us.
Gus McCrae: Well the first man comes along that can read Latin is welcome to rob us, far as I’m concerned. I’d like a chance t’ shoot at a educated man once in my life.


28 posted on 07/07/2007 7:19:45 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
But your idea of “consevative” may be joining with Ted Kennedy to give instant legal status to criminals, and to label principled opponents of such amnesty with some synonym of “racist”’

Did Linda Chavez take these positions?

I certainly have never claimed these are conservative. Has she?

29 posted on 07/07/2007 7:24:49 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

 


30 posted on 07/07/2007 7:39:04 PM PDT by Fintan (Feiny hates me. Dasher hates me. Where's the beer???)
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To: Jorge

“Some people just don’t like Mexicans — or anyone else from south of the border.”

“Where once the xenophobes could advocate forced sterilization and eugenics coupled with virtually shutting off legal immigration from “undesirable” countries, now they must be content with building walls, putting troops on the border, rounding up illegal aliens on the job and deporting them, passing local ordinances to signal their distaste for immigrants’ multi-family living arrangements, and doing whatever else they can to drive these people back where they came from.”

Linda Chavez, May 25, 2007.

In case you were not aware of her recent statements. “xenophobe” is a synonym for “racist.” I taught myself Spanish as an adult, have lived with very humble people on a ranch in Mexico, and understand the terms “Uchi,” “Cuaco,” and “Chucho.” I have eaten chile ancho roasted in the fields with Mexican farmers. But I think the Senate amnesty bill was wrong, and I am not a “xenophobe.”


31 posted on 07/07/2007 8:08:16 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
“Some people just don’t like Mexicans — or anyone else from south of the border.”

Can't argue with that. Some don't.

But did Linda Chavez say this was a description of ALL who opposed Bush's immigration reform?

32 posted on 07/07/2007 8:16:07 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
I have eaten chile ancho roasted in the fields with Mexican farmers. But I think the Senate amnesty bill was wrong, and I am not a “xenophobe.”

I have lived with black people in black neighborhoods and eaten fried chicken with them...that doesn't make my positions on race issues immune from criticism.

33 posted on 07/07/2007 8:18:43 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
“Some people just don’t like Mexicans — or anyone else from south of the border.”
Can't argue with that. Some don't.

That might be true, but I know this for a fact. I have not met a single individual who had a problem with legal immigration from Mexico or any other country south of the border.

On the other hand, the number who oppose illegal immigration is in the order of 9 to 1.

Trying to spin that into prejudicial dislike simply won't work for me.

34 posted on 07/07/2007 8:30:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
I have not met a single individual who had a problem with legal immigration from Mexico or any other country south of the border.

You obviously haven't met that many people.

I've traveled all over this country and have met numerous individuals who don't like Mexicans, Cubans or others who happen to come here legally.

35 posted on 07/07/2007 8:37:09 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

>> I have eaten chile ancho roasted in the fields with Mexican farmers. But I think the Senate amnesty bill was wrong, and I am not a “xenophobe.”

I have lived with black people in black neighborhoods and eaten fried chicken with them...that doesn’t make my positions on race issues immune from criticism.<<

So you agree with Linda Chavez? I think what she said is just as bigoted as any person who “doesn’t like” some group or another. I guess she saw that playing the race card had worked so many times before, it looked like a good bet.


36 posted on 07/07/2007 8:52:06 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: Czar; Borax Queen; janetgreen
In the end, the question remains: How did a bill that had the support of the White House, the leadership of both parties in Congress and most of the so-called mainstream media manage to fail? The answer is that this absurd bill awakened a silent majority fed up with the perpetuation of policies that reward lawlessness, discourage assimilation and ignore potentially grave threats to our national security.

fyi ping

37 posted on 07/07/2007 8:54:43 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
So you agree with Linda Chavez? I think what she said is just as bigoted as any person who “doesn’t like” some group or another.

What's bigoted about it?

She didn't say EVERYBODY who opposed the immigration reform bill was racist, did she?

38 posted on 07/07/2007 8:57:49 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Dick Bachert; WorkerbeeCitizen
the forces of darkness never rest, IT IS VITAL THAT THESE NEW FOLKS NOT GO BACK TO SLEEP. Sadly, most of them will.

.....If YOUR critters ARE having meetings – and if not during THIS recess, unless their names are Reid, Pelosi, Graham or Schumer, they will almost certainly have them in the run-up to the election – please think about attending, taking the mike and telling them what YOU think.

Excellent post and suggestions! (Unfortunately, I have two idyot senators: Clinton and Schumer.)

39 posted on 07/07/2007 9:02:37 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: Publius6961; Borax Queen
Two observations.
Without the executive doing its job the other two are useless. The first branch, the legislature, is not allowed to implement laws.

There you have it. All the laws passed and "approved" are totally useless if they're not implemented; e.g. the 1986 Amnesty Fraud.

Exactly!
40 posted on 07/07/2007 9:04:22 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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