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Oswald 'had no time to fire all Kennedy bullets'
The Sunday Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6/30/2007 | Tim Shipman

Posted on 06/30/2007 4:36:50 PM PDT by 1066AD

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To: khnyny
You might me right, or it will be at least awhile longer until the govt version of the event is needed no longer.

There is a constant flow of articles, and new findings that are being discovered on JFK, they just aren’t being picked up by the mainstream media.

One thing I was thinking when the Senate & the President explained the logic of why they wanted the ‘Amnesty Bill’ passed.

Many of us kept thinking to ourselves, that doesn’t sound right. Their logic seems to be ‘double talk’. The Bill just doesn’t seem right.

Thats how I react to the govt’s explanation of the JFK assassination. It doesn’t seem right.

“Not to contradict myself, per se, but I don’t think we will ever really know what happened with JFK.”

221 posted on 06/30/2007 10:14:02 PM PDT by msnpatriot
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To: streetpreacher

Me, too. I just wanted to hear him say it.


222 posted on 06/30/2007 10:16:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: REDWOOD99

I just watched Penn & Teller’s Bullshit and Penn was able to fire the same gun 3 times in about 4 seconds. And Penn isn’t even a trained marine.


223 posted on 06/30/2007 10:27:49 PM PDT by boop
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To: boop

Still won’t convince the conspiracy theorists.

OTOH, Did Teller try to catch the bullet with his teeth?


224 posted on 06/30/2007 10:41:20 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: ReignOfError
"He was below average for a Marine. Thats still well beyond the average civilian"

A couple of observations: 1) Maybe, just maybe Oswald practiced just a bit after he got out of the Marines. People act like he was this crappy shot and never picked up a rifle again until the day of the assassination 2)Connally was sitting much closer to the center of the front seat which makes the magic bullet theory less plausible. The shot makes almost a straight line through Kennedy into Connally when this is taken into account. 3) Kennedy's head moves backwards, but even if the "frontal shot" didn't happen, the acceleration of the car would have made him slump back anyway. 4) They have done studies that the head WOULD have moved backwards from a rear shot because of the momentum of the brain material being blasted forward 5) I've been to the grassy knoll and even though it was a train yard in 1963, the shooter would have been a sitting duck, completely exposed and very easily caught when he tried to make a getaway. 6) Dealy Plaza is a very cavernous space, surrounded by buildings. There would have been so many echoes that it would seem as if shots were coming from every which way. 7) Oswald had a motive. He was known as a Communist and JFK was very anti-communist (I know, imagine a pro-American democrat). What a grand way to strike a blow for his comrades. I used to believe in this conspiracy nonsense, but it's just an exercise in mental masturbation.

225 posted on 06/30/2007 10:50:31 PM PDT by boop
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To: msnpatriot; 1066AD; leadpenny; ladyinred; Mr. K; REDWOOD99; cmiller623

Several pix are shown with this article:

“...the night before the Kennedy assassination, Lyndon Baines Johnson met with Dallas tycoons, FBI moguls and organized crime kingpins - emerging from the conference to tell his mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that “those SOB’s” would never embarrass him again.

“Though Brown first went public on her 21-year relationship with Johnson in the early 80’s, to this day her shocking revelations about how he had told her the Kennedy’s “would never embarrass me again” the night before the assassination are often ignored by the media who prefer to keep the debate focused on issues which can’t definitively be proven either way (or at least can be spun and whitewashed).

“George Herbert Walker Bush was also pictured at the scene of the crime in Dealy Plaza.

“In addition, Barr McClellan, father of former White House press secretary Scott McClellan and a partner in the Austin law firm that represented Johnson, wrote in his 2003 book that LBJ was a key player in the organization of the assassination and its cover-up.”

Photographs, and more, here; not that it resolves anything:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/300407deathbedconfession.htm


226 posted on 07/01/2007 12:26:23 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT

Very interesting, although I don’t think that fellow on the steps of the TSBD really looks like GHWB. I could be wrong. Thanks.


227 posted on 07/01/2007 2:10:41 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Shooter 2.5

“You have not a single fact for your childish accusation. LBJ was riding in the motorcade. I don’t think his arms were long enough to reach up to the sixth floor.”

Right. Like he was an active participant.

I don’t have to prove what I believe. I believe LBJ had the motive, the means and guts to make it happen. You can’t prove he didn’t.


228 posted on 07/01/2007 2:15:37 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: 1066AD
Lee Harvey Oswald could not have acted alone in assassinating President John F Kennedy, according to a new study by Italian weapons experts of the type of rifle Oswald used in the shootings.

This was demonstrated in the 1970's. There is no way an expert using the gun Oswald did could get that many shot off and accurately.

But who ever believed the nonsense story anyhow.

229 posted on 07/01/2007 2:31:35 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: JoeA

Oswald was a consistant shooter.

From 200 yards he scored 48 for 50 and was scored as a sharp shooter and among the top of his class.

Kennedy’s car was 275 away (90 yards) which should have been an easy mark for him.

Also everyone makes a big deal about missing with the first shot which is bull. Whenever I go to the range to shoot, many times my first shot does not hit where I aimed and then I compensate the drift or rise with my next shot.


230 posted on 07/01/2007 3:04:09 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Even the way the bullets behaved with ballistics gel bodies.

I saw that show when they shot the ballistics gel bodies, I loved when they brought them to a medical examiner who declared quite confidently that there was no way all the wounds came from a single shot and how his jaw dropped when he saw the video.

They conducted the test shot two times with the same result, that was a grest show.
231 posted on 07/01/2007 3:25:55 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: ZULU
But without conspiracies... how could we sell books and make movies and documentaries and write articles and...

No, it will never go away. Not as long as the books get bought, tickets are purchased for the movies, advertisers buy commercial time for the documentaries, and magazines are snapped up once they hit the shelves.

It's a multi-million dollar business... and someone is laughing all the way to the bank.

232 posted on 07/01/2007 3:39:18 AM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: REDWOOD99

Italian testers. It also speaks to 20th Century Italian military success, or lack thereof. They’re really good at pulling wine corks, though.


233 posted on 07/01/2007 3:47:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: 1066AD

Short answer - BS!

Longer answer - It’s bolt action rifle and unless it has three extra steps and it doesn’t as it’s built on the Mauser design, getting three aimed shots off in 8 seconds is EASY!

I have a Savage 111F in 30-06 (7.62 x 63) which kicks a heck of a lot more than a 6.5 x 51 (Carcano Round) and I can do and have done it with no problem.


234 posted on 07/01/2007 3:53:01 AM PDT by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: strings6459

Yes. They were Italian. I think Churchill had some observations about their fighting men...


235 posted on 07/01/2007 3:53:30 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: BJungNan
This was demonstrated in the 1970's. There is no way an expert using the gun Oswald did could get that many shot off and accurately.

It has been demonstrated numerous times by skilled and unskilled marksman using the exact rifle that it can be done in even less time, and in some instances a full three seconds less.
236 posted on 07/01/2007 4:10:03 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: investigateworld

Yes, that’s what my little warbaby is. And it looks exactly like the advertisement pictures. The wood is birch without any cartouches except for the number 2 stamped into the bottom of the pistol grip. A friend had to soak the Cosmoline out on his but mine was dry. I sprayed some oil on it last night.

It’s an Inland Div. and the Underwoods will be next. I’m waiting for the IBM’s and maybe a Winchester.


237 posted on 07/01/2007 6:44:28 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: PhilDragoo

That’s because they mught have been rifleman but they didn’t know a thing about history. They thought they had to shoot all three shots in 4 seconds.


238 posted on 07/01/2007 6:50:16 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: eddie willers

Alvin York was not.


239 posted on 07/01/2007 6:54:25 AM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: cmiller623

The three tramps were three tramps. That’s been reported over and over. The arrest records have been released and the relatives of the three tramps agree. The interview with one of the three tramps confirms it.

Your tinfoil hat is cutting off the circulation to your brain.


240 posted on 07/01/2007 6:55:46 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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