Posted on 06/26/2007 5:06:45 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Heinz was never a revered name amongst Conservatives. ;-)
I’d rather have an enemy Democat elected because I know where he stands. Another lying republican can’t be trusted.
Well he was better than the current lot in VA.
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
I agree with you there. She had a particularly awful time to serve as Chair, failing to gain both the Governorship and losing Allen’s Senate seat on her watch (as I said, I don’t blame her for that, since there were circumstances well beyond her control). She had a lot to live up to, since when her dad chaired the party 35 years ago, the GOP made staggering gains, and helped to dismantle the old (Harry) Byrd Democrat machine.
Heinz, the LIBERAL Republican better than Warner or the sociopathic racist anti-Semite thug Webb ? He’d have voted for shamnesty.
“Heinz, the LIBERAL Republican better than Warner or the sociopathic racist anti-Semite thug Webb ? He’d have voted for shamnesty.”
That is your supposition.
The FACT is YOUR two Senators DID vote for amnesty. (As sadly did ours)
I don’t know much about Heinz, but he was probably better than a certain other “republican” PA senator.
The late Senator Heinz was another version of Arlen Specter.
Back in 1994, Theresa Heinz endorsed the liberal Harris Worford over Rick Santorum. Theresa claimed that her late husband would be rolling in his grave if a right wing extremist occupied his Senate seat.
Ok, so Georgia is different than Alabama, that’s obvious. Then again, Metro Atlanta tended to attract more Yankees than did the rest of the region. I still use this as evidence. Eisenhower narrowly lost our county in 1952, and I doubt this was due to Northerners, cause not many of them were here at that point. In 1956, he won the county. In 1960, Kennedy carried the county, because every Catholic voted for him and that offset the anti-Catholic votes. In 1968, Wallace got the biggest margin here since Thurmond was the official Democratic candidate, so what does that mean.
In general, I think using Wallace’s votes in certain states in 68 is a good gauge on, are they northerners are not, cause well, I just don’t think northern transplants supported him in large numbers. And actually, alot of the early activists in the GOP here, had been members of the bolt in ‘48.
Not supposition, but a logical conclusion based on Heinz’s voting record. He had an average Conservative vote of 35%, sometimes as low as 10%. We’d lynch someone that liberal as a Republican. That’s Chafee liberal. Even Specter is more Conservative at 44%. Do you even remember how liberal Heinz was ? Why do you think Terr-ray-za married Kerry ? These were Country-Clubber leftists.
I’m not a Virginian, I’m a Tennessean, and my unreliable Republican Senators with RINO leanings voted correctly.
See post #70. If Heinz and not Specter were in the Senate today, he’d be the most liberal RINO in the body. I’m surprised people have such short memories. He’s only been deceased since 1991.
I was only nine years old in 1991, I didn’t know or care about politics back then. Besides, I used to live next door to PA in Ohio, which doesn’t have a great GOP record either.
“The late Senator Heinz was another version of Arlen Specter.
Back in 1994, Theresa Heinz endorsed the liberal Harris Worford over Rick Santorum. Theresa claimed that her late husband would be rolling in his grave if a right wing extremist occupied his Senate seat.”
Theresa was not John, don’t confuse the two. She usurped his good name (and fortune) to promote her own agenda.
You can be somewhat liberal and love your country, just as (as we have witnessed today) an alleged conservative and sell it down the river. I happen to think John Heinz was in the former camp, and the clowns in the Senate today are in the latter. Which would you choose?
I’m just saying there are a lot of nuances and complexities that aren’t entirely clear-cut. The liberal vs. Conservative doesn’t exactly wash, either. There were a lot of liberal Dem pols in the South (Big Gov’t liberals, at least). In MS, you had the ultra-racist Theodore Bilbo, who was a very liberal New Dealer and was a crook, dying before the Senate was likely going to expel him for corruption (and a jail term).
In the case of Metro Atlanta, by the late 1960s, you had 2 Republicans, both Conservatives, who represented both the city of Atlanta, and suburban DeKalb County (those districts now send Black leftist moonbats) in Congress, supplanting the Country-Clubber Bo Callaway (who was the first federal Republican elected from GA since 1872) who represented a more east-central rural district along the AL border. The reason why the 2 Republicans were elected was because of the racial polarization of the districts and the fact they sent very liberal White Democrats prior to them. After those 2 were gone in the early ‘70s (one was defeated, the other lost in a Senate race), no Republican was elected again until Gingrich in 1978, who was considered a “liberal Rockefeller” Republican when he ran against the old segregationist Jim Flynt (Flynt just died this past weekend at 92). Gingrich was never able to beat Flynt, and had to wait until he retired when the Dems unwisely put up a liberal woman who made Newt the “Conservative” in the race.
AL’s GOP benefitted greatly from Goldwater’s candidacy, as it went from an all-8 Democrat majority to a 5-3 GOP majority (and that would be the last time they’d have a majority again until 1997). Interestingly, all 5 of those GOP pioneers are still alive today (one of them, Glenn Andrews, is now the second-oldest surviving member of Congress, at 98). Gov. Wallace, however, drastically curtailed the growth, and kept the GOP from making any gains for a long time (3 of the 5 Republicans that survived reelection in ‘66 were the only ones around until the ‘80s, and in the case of Bill Dickinson, ‘90s).
Also, interestingly, where some of the newly-minted Southern Republicans of the late ‘60s were generally reactionaries against the far-left hijacking of the Dems, you had stories such as in Birmingham where the old White racist Dem machine was brought down by Republicans like George Seibels, who forged a coalition with Blacks to win the Mayor’s office in 1967. Unfortunately, because Blacks became reactionaries themselves against the Republican party at the same time (despite the fact that they were clearly the pro-Civil Rights party), this coalition lasted only 8 years.
I’m sorry, there. I thought you were a bit older. I was 17. ;-)
TN’s GOP was moribund in ‘91, so it was far worse than Ohio’s at the time. That was right after Voinovich won the Governorship, and he looked like the Second Coming after the horrid Dick Celeste.
Heinz wasn’t somewhat liberal, he was the epitome of the Country-Clubber liberals that infested the GOP, driving it to nearly moribund status in far too many areas of the country, both then and now. His wife was only voicing publicly what he felt privately, that elitist attitude towards Conservatives that actually worked for a living and held views that they found parochial and repugnant.
Like I said, if he were alive today, he’d be marching arm and arm with Specter. If you don’t believe that, you don’t remember the man at all.
You knew him personally then...
Celeste was your typical corrupt ‘rat. Even among his own party he was never popular.
I knew his style and his voting record. If you think he was better than Specter, you don’t remember the man very well. Those RINO ilk have been killing the party, most especially in the northeast. One reason why a lot of blue collar types are still in the Democrat party in PA when they should’ve long ago returned to the GOP.
And now poor OH is stuck with Ted Strickland. OH has been cursed with lousy rodents and RINOs for far too long. They haven’t had a decent Governor since Jim Rhodes (of course, you won’t likely remember him, as you will have only been about a year old when he left office for the last time in ‘83).
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