Posted on 06/23/2007 1:28:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
LeGrande,
I read it, but didn’t do any math. It’s a holiday
week and I’m heading out to a vacation!
For all I know, NONE of the animals ate for a year -
or crapped. Miracles is miracles. Maybe they were
miniaturized and could fit in shoe boxes. Maybe they
were frozen. Maybe they were turned into two dimensional
creatures for a year. We don’t know squat.
I do like beef a lot...
ampu
Your argument is not persuasive. The Koran in no way shows that salvation is through Jesus Christ. The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ.
The first reference on the Sea Worthiness didn’t even bother with the construction material. It assumed steel and seemingly forgot that wooden vessels longer than 300 feet fall apart.
The second source ‘cargo’ assumed only 411 animals which was curious because there are over 4000 different species of mammals and over 9000 different species of birds. And that does not include reptiles, amphibians or the millions of different insects that all need to hitch a ride.
Your third source was just a calculator.
Your fourth source was actually the most interesting site. I didn’t know that that Noah had 1200 dinosaurs on board, or that all the animals hibernated on the voyage and that only babies were allowed in. And to keep numbers down he only let on two of any family and then just let God subdivide them after Noah shooed them off the Ark.
Your fourth source was just a reference to a book with a picture of a horse with its head sticking outside of the Ark. Clearly a reference to Ed the talking horse. And a lucky horse it was indeed with all the rest of the animals dying of hypoxia in the sealed ship.
So AMPU you really do have a sense of humor. I was hoping to find something interesting but all that was offered was dribble that any 8 year old could have written, simply by pulling stuff off the Internet.
So tell me the truth AMPU do you really believe that Noah had 1200 dinosaurs on the Ark? LOL
Do you know what really scares me? I think that some of the Born Agains writing on this thread actually believe this stuff.
Now you tell me : ( You really do have a sick sense of humor don't you? Making me read through all of those URLS you posted. I am going to have to be careful dealing with you in the future. Revenge is a dish best served cold : )
LeGrande, comments follow...
“The first reference on the Sea Worthiness didn’t even bother with the construction material. It assumed steel and seemingly forgot that wooden vessels longer than 300 feet fall apart.”
Different study than the self-destructing wooden vessel study.
You have to specify what you want LeGrande!
“Your third source was just a calculator.”
JUST! That was a CUBIT calculator for you to do your
own calculations with, you dufus! :-)
“Your fourth source was actually the most interesting site. I didn’t know that that Noah had 1200 dinosaurs on board, or that all the animals hibernated on the voyage and that only babies were allowed in. And to keep numbers down he only let on two of any family and then just let God subdivide them after Noah shooed them off the Ark.”
Speculation on how it could have happened. Did it? Shoot
if I know.
“Your fourth source was just a reference to a book with a picture of a horse with its head sticking outside of the Ark. Clearly a reference to Ed the talking horse.”
It was a book for you to purchase!
...”all that was offered was dribble that any 8 year old could have written, simply by pulling stuff off the Internet.”
OK, LeGrande, I do not think an 8 year old could write
sea worthiness info - or do the math. And hey, like I
wrote, I DID pull it off Google for you.
“So tell me the truth AMPU do you really believe that Noah had 1200 dinosaurs on the Ark? LOL”
Don’t have any idea!
“Do you know what really scares me? I think that some of the Born Agains writing on this thread actually believe this stuff.”
I’m a “born again. Not sure what I believe about all the
details. I just believe the Author.
Hey, you asked, I did my best to fill in the gaps because
I know you have an inquiring mind!
best,
ampu
LeGrande,
One more thought, which is clearly just speculat’n on
my part about your “300’ maximum wooden boat argument”...
The ark was not a boat in the following sense:
1. It just had to float
2. It wasn’t propelled
3. It wasn’t steered (in the account)
4. It had no mast exerting forces on it
5. Internally, it was subdivided
6. It wasn’t boat-shaped
I’m not entirely sure your rules would apply.
Historically, there are references to boats
longer than 300’, made of wood. That large
Chinese boat Clive Cussler used in his recent
novel was based on historical accounts.
In the final analysis, “miracles is miracles”.
If you want an entirely naturalistic explanation,
you are starting with the wrong ingredients.
but you’re fun and my favorite atheist on FR.
best,
ampu
PS - Back to the discussion of Mormonism=Cult
But never open-ended, perpetual warfare such as the Koran specifies.
The Jewish conquest of the Holy Land was for the land.
"I also just finished reading a book on the Inquisition."
... Oh, boy...
"Also we were just discussing the flood, what do you think was its purpose?"
We are told specifically, so there is no need to guess. Genesis 6:5-8
"They all profess to believe in the God of Abraham."
Muslims are wrong.
The problem is that it flexes when it gets lifted by waves. A flexing ship soon becomes a leaking ship. Wood simply is not strong enough for spans much longer than 300 feet. The designer reaches a point of diminishing returns where to make the boat strong enough he loses all his internal volume with bracing.
In the final analysis, “miracles is miracles”. If you want an entirely naturalistic explanation, you are starting with the wrong ingredients.
I guess you are right. So why do you Born Agains hold the Mormons to a higher standard than you hold yourselves too?
Muslims are wrong.
I can't argue that with you : ) But that is what they believe and they believe enough to die and kill for their belief.
Do you think that Jews believe that the God of Abraham is Christ? So the people that wrote the book are wrong too?
We've been over this before, now you want to debate the Trinity again.
LeGrande doesn’t believe in God. In fact he believe if there were a God, He couldn’t be omniscient because of the uncertainty principle which shows on the brane of spacetime we live and breath that the exact position and exact momentum of a particle at any given moment on that brane cannot both be known exactly. LeGrande’s idea of God is limited to the same brane limitations of we humans, so He cannot believe in a Creator for the branes (or his brains for that matter). The concept of dimensional time seems to be causing Le Grande to stumble ... the sad part is, he’s proud of his stumbling.
Your right. Isn't that the definition of insanity? Repeating the same thing time after time and expecting different results?
Well you are kind of right. The brane part though is extremely theoretical and unproven. The other part that you are wrong about is the fundamental nature of the particle/wave duality. It isn't that the human brain is incapable of knowing the position and the momentum. The truth is that the information doesn't exist. DP x DM is approximately equal to Planks constant (simplified).
What do you think keeps the electrons out of the nucleus? In many ways that equation is a fundamental law of the universe. The Universe would collapse without that basic principle. Uncertainty is what makes the universe possible. Now that is a real miracle :)
Now about time. Time is a relationship between wave packets and distance, i.e. spacetime. Until higher dimension space has been shown to exist, even theoretically, it is just amusing speculation.
So are we back on speaking terms MHGinTN? I enjoyed our discussions, until you started cursing me and calling the Monitors : )
I only address you where it serves my purpose to defend Christianity, faith, and the Creator. :^| I doubt we will ever be on speaking terms. I find disgusting that persons skulk about at FR religion oriented threads seeking ways to cause fighting and discord and even admit that is their purpose, so no, we are not 'back on speaking terms'.
Incidentally, how would you know if I cursed you when I shook the dust from my boots as a witness to your unbelief, and that is what you refer to since I have used no curse word toward you as you try to falsely assert by incompleteness.
MHGinTN,
If you had to condense all the false doctrines of
Mormonism down to the single worst - the linchpin that
all of the other falsehoods flow from - what would you
say? There are many to choose from. In your opinion,
is there a worst?
best,
ampu
That with the death of the last Apostle who walked with the Lord, the Church Jesus established and gauranteed with his shed blood and verified with His resurrection, THAT Church had to be restored with the advent of one Joseph Smith. THAT heresy in Mormonism implies that The Holy Spirit Jesus sent to the believers (not just the Apostles) somehow ceased to be sent when the last Apostle died. That heresy presumes upon the Satanic lie which is implied without being stated as doctrine, and Mormonism Apologists dance all around that lie without seeing it thus it serves the Evil One, not The God Almighty, maker of Heaven and Earth and Mormonism fails to focus upon Christ, His faith as our Salvation by our faith trusting in Him alone for Salvation by Faith, not of works to earn anything, lest man boast.
ping ... would you care to comment also on what you consider the worst of the Mormonism heresies?
So, if I understand you correctly, if you had to pick the
single worst false teaching of mormonism, you would say
that it is that the church Christ established and guaranteed
with His blood needed to be restored at all? Right?
ampu
Correct.
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