States rebel against Real ID Act

Lawbean.com ^ | 6/11/2007 | staff

[George W. Bush]

Resistance to RealID continues to grow.

[AntiFed]

I just love when states reject illegal federal laws. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

[Dilbert San Diego]

So what’s going to happen? If more states rebel against Real ID, will residents of those states have to get passports and use that as an approved federal ID? And if that happens, aren’t we then going to have a national ID in the form of needing passports for domestic travel and entering federal buildings?

[Old Student]

“So what’s going to happen? If more states rebel against Real ID, will residents of those states have to get passports and use that as an approved federal ID? And if that happens, aren’t we then going to have a national ID in the form of needing passports for domestic travel and entering federal buildings?”

Where do you see us needing a passport for domestic travel? As for federal buildings, why sweat it? I’ve needed to go to a federal building rather rarely, and I’ve got a military ID if I ever again NEED to do so. We just need to draft everyone, and solve the problem.

[George W. Bush]

And if that happens, aren’t we then going to have a national ID in the form of needing passports for domestic travel and entering federal buildings?

"Your papers, please."

[Orange1998]

It makes me sick to see Citizens of the Great Country required to provide more information than illegal immigrants. The Real ID will have RFID so the government will know your whereabouts at all times. This will become mandatory as early as May 2008. The illegals have it make in Amer`ka.

[SUSSA]

Resistance to RealID continues to grow.

It's about time!

[TChris]

Why the resistance? Isn’t RealID a Good Thing?

[Orange1998]

Depend who your talking too. The government loves it and the average Joe doesn’t. You be the judge.

[George W. Bush]

No, it's a Bad Thing. Honestly, some people would, if told by Bush that there was a Muslim under their beds, demand that he implement a full Soviet-era police state and abolish the Constitution entirely.

Notice in the article how it is cemented into place with the Senate's immigration bill. It won't just be the illegals and the guest workers who will be forced to carry these.

After this, they'll want to chip you, probably subcutaneous RFID.

[Centurion2000]

I just love when states reject illegal federal laws.

Now they just need to threaten to jail the BATF people on sight for interference in state laws.

[philman_36]

Why the resistance? Isn’t RealID a Good Thing?
Well, what do you know about it? Or rather, what have you heard about it?

[TChris]

No, it's a Bad Thing. Honestly, some people would, if told by Bush that there was a Muslim under their beds, demand that he implement a full Soviet-era police state and abolish the Constitution entirely.

I'm thinking from the illegal alien angle, and how easily they obtain forged documentation, and some states issue them driver's licenses, and those items can allow them to VOTE...

I don't know the particulars of RealID, but I think there are some genuine ID issues to consider.

I love the idea of every American being free to come and go and exercise their rights without such an intrusion. But how do we tell who is really a citizen when it comes time to vote? I think the right to vote becomes very diluted if there's no control over who can vote.

[philman_36]

Isn’t RealID a Good Thing?
LOL...Exclusive: Federal REAL ID Act Does Not Create National Identity
Card: That’s a Good Thing

[taxcontrol]

Nothing illegal about it. The federal government has the right to say what forms of ID that is acceptable to the federal government.

[philman_36]

Spotlight on Surveillance
March 2007:
Federal REAL ID Proposal Threatens Privacy and Security
When it created the Department of Homeland Security, Congress made clear in the enabling legislation that the agency could not create a national ID system.[48] In September 2004, then-Department of Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge reiterated, “[t]he legislation that created the Department of Homeland Security was very specific on the question of a national ID card. They said there will be no national ID card.”[49] The REAL ID Act creates a de facto national ID card.
The requirement for non-REAL ID driver’s license or ID card to have explicit “invalid for federal purposes” designations turns this “voluntary” card into a mandatory national ID card. Anyone with a different license or ID card would be instantly suspicious. It will be easy for insurance companies, credit card companies, even video stores, to demand a REAL ID driver’s license or ID card in order to receive services. Significant delay, complication and possibly harassment or discrimination would fall upon those without a REAL ID card.

I suggest you read that article. It covers a lot of info.

[Dilbert San Diego]

Up until now, the feds have accepted the state issued IDs as sufficient.

I’ve heard rumor about this, that states might issue 2 types of IDs. They would issue ones that meet the fed requirements and then another that would meet the lesser state requirements.

[philman_36]

The federal government has the right to say what forms of ID that is acceptable to the federal government.
Apparently the federal government thinks it has the right to say what form of ID is acceptable period.

[radioman]

Why the resistance? Isn’t RealID a Good Thing?

All laws have two uses. One for which the law was intended and one for which it was not. What will be the unintended consequence of Real ID?
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[AntiFed]

“federal government has the right to say what forms of ID that is acceptable to the federal government”

Lemme guess. General welfare clause? lol