Posted on 06/08/2007 8:33:53 PM PDT by Dajjal
I learned about this in The Pacific Stars & Stripes in a hotel lobby in Saigon. Reading about it later, the Israelis believed that Liberty was crewed by Hebrew linguists monitoring Israeli comms. If what I read further was to be believed, it was crewed by Arab and Russian linguists; the Russians were there to determine if Soviet pilots were flying Arab aircraft. Everything else I read led me to believe that the U.S. flag was flying off the fantail. I believe to this day that it was deliberate, and I’m a big supporter of Israel.
My grandfather was connected to a herd a couple times a day.
There is a theory floating around that, the Soviets were decoding the satellite links, and then passing the intercepted info, to the Egyptians...
The USS Liberty attack is very painful to many. Painful to me as a Jew and supporter of Israel. You can talk and deconstruct the USS Liberty all you want but this is today. Where Islam is the menace. Jews and Israel are a footnote in the global Jihad. One arm of which is conquering Europe via immigration, sucking off madly generous European welfare programs, via making far more babies than European families
THE DEMOGRAPHIC JIHAD
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“I’m no Israel hater but I believe the attack was deliberate. They were worried LIBERTY was going to hear something they didn’t want it to. And with their national survival at risk, they weren’t too worried about who they took out to eliminate that possibility.”
Neither were we.
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Its just not a very sexy story esp for the Israeli haters
In the late 1990’s the collection came to our facility. Showing the evidence on display, my chief explained to us that there is no way the attack was accidental. We (the Liberty) were in their way, and they (Israelis) will do anything it takes to ensure survival. It wasn’t so much that they thought we were an enemy - we were an obstacle.
The Egyptians had no aircraft.
Absolutely not true.
They had been destroyed during the first day of the war, so that is out.
No, they weren't. You haven't even done any basic research on the subject. Total Egyptian aircraft losses of all types during the war were about 60%. For the MiG 21s, the Egyptians started the war with about 200, and lost about 100 during the course of the war (only about 29 were lost in the air; the rest were destroyed on the ground). The attack on the Liberty came on the second day of the war, when the Egyptians still had a number of aircraft. (I use MiG 21s as an example because they are the Egyptian aircraft that most closely matches in appearance the aircraft described by the Liberty.)
Plus, them big old Stars of David on the planes are another sure give away.
You obviously haven't read the material at the link. The ship was never able to confirm the identity of the aircraft as Israeli. If you have any pictures of the underside of the Mirages in their 1967 wartime paint, I'll be happy to see if I agree with the victims of the attack.
Jim Ennes is a friend, lives not far from here.
I don’t believe it was an accident, either. Neither do I blame Israel for doing it. I just regret the Liberty was there. Battling for your very existence gives you some leeway. Of course, we wouldn’t know that because we think our existence is guaranteed, or at least, someone else’s job.
Wow! You have been put me firmly in my place. Good job!
The part about listening and transmitting data onshore makes sense, the other part doesn’t.
If they already knew that someone was slipping info to enemies, they really didn’t need to go to such lengths to disable transfer or even collection of it, it could have easily been done via high level channels. Besides, it was pretty difficult to make sure at the time that they would only cripple Liberty instead of sinking it, and not kill anyone (a high price to pay) only to do something that can be just as easily and maybe faster done through the channels.
Also, I don’t see how disabling Liberty would help in actually finding out who the spy was, as it would immediately shut down the transmission of the info. If anything, it would probably make it more difficult, when once they knew that someone was leaking info, they could simply do a bit of counterespionage and start feeding wrong info to different people - that would help flush out who the spy was.
IMHO.
I know what you mean. You have to round them stray a an get them back into the heard.
I wish I had a better memory of it but very recently, and I think here, I read an excellent recap of the seven day war in regards to the USSR and specifically what they told LBJ and the pressure LBJ put on Israel to stand down.
While I can understand the fog of war and probabilities are that was the case if I were Israel I wouldn't have trusted LBJ and could have easily thought we were going to turn on them.
Hopefully someone can correct any memory failures or point to the original article as I found it fascinating.
A lot of “I / we believed”, but without facts - supposedly intercepts could’ve been made public by now, or at least to numerous commissions that investigated the attack, yet...
Among the many names in that article, that I would have a hard time to believe (not all, and some I don’t know, but some are known anti-Israel) :
Dean Rusk
Clark Clifford (of recent fame)
Robert Dallek
William Odom (of recent fame)
Bobby Inman
As Cicero would say, "Cui Bono"--who benefits? In this case NO ONE. There was no possible benefit Israel could receive from doing this.
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