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A Hot-Selling Weapon, an Inviting Target (fairly neutral article on AR-15 type rifles from the NYT)
New York Times ^
| 3 June 2007
| Andrew Park
Posted on 06/03/2007 1:07:14 PM PDT by RKV
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To: RKV
The second admendment wasn’t for hunting.....
Animals that is....
41
posted on
06/03/2007 2:49:16 PM PDT
by
nevergore
("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
To: pabianice
Here we go ;)
My photo server came back up.
42
posted on
06/03/2007 2:50:27 PM PDT
by
SJSAMPLE
To: FredHunter08
They shouldnt twitch over an accurate statement. Now, you call the M14s magazines clips and well have words.
Copy that 08. An en-bloc is a clip, a stripper is a clip, a tube is a magazine and a box magazine is a magazine.
What I was getting at is my annoyance at the way some people never miss an opportunity to correct people about it. I'm becoming a curmudgeon I think, because I sometimes use the term clip incorrectly because it gives me the same feeling I get when I drive to the end of my block before I buckle my seat belt.
May there be many safe and happy emptied magazines in your future.
43
posted on
06/03/2007 2:51:24 PM PDT
by
VR-21
To: Hardastarboard
And current engagements in Iraq are usually well under 50m.
The M4/M16 is doing fine.
44
posted on
06/03/2007 2:51:38 PM PDT
by
SJSAMPLE
To: VR-21
Thank you. It's a work in progress and just kind of grew that way.
There are more qualified people to ask, but if you would like assistance in adding something to yours, I'd be happy to help, just FReepmail(private message) me.
45
posted on
06/03/2007 2:51:53 PM PDT
by
magslinger
(Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
To: telebob
I love the AR-15, but a Kalifornia legal one would be like having sex wearing a space suit.
46
posted on
06/03/2007 2:54:07 PM PDT
by
Nachoman
(Sarcasm. Just one of many services I provide.)
To: magslinger
Are you a fellow Michigan boy?
I worked for Spence in two consecutive elections (him winning the last) and fought Debbie tooth and nail throughout the 1990s.
Michigan’s gonna come to its senses one day.
47
posted on
06/03/2007 2:56:17 PM PDT
by
SJSAMPLE
To: magslinger
Thanks for the kind offer, and I may take you up on it soon.
Presently I'm perusing Homers Illiad and a few old DC war comics to gather some material for mine, and of course making sure there are any outstanding warrants.
48
posted on
06/03/2007 2:59:16 PM PDT
by
VR-21
To: VR-21
“Copy that 08. An en-bloc is a clip, a stripper is a clip, a tube is a magazine and a box magazine is a magazine.”
Some people can get carried away. ;)
49
posted on
06/03/2007 3:05:47 PM PDT
by
FredHunter08
(Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
To: Nachoman
Nachoman said:
"I love the AR-15, but a Kalifornia legal one would be like having sex wearing a space suit." Pistol grips are highly over-rated. And sex wearing a space suit is probably highly under-rated. But I have no first hand knowledge about the latter.
50
posted on
06/03/2007 3:11:03 PM PDT
by
William Tell
(RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
To: RKV
"By the way, 'AR-15 type' was my insertion, not the authors. As a shooter, I tend to stick to technical definitions, rather than evocative wordings like 'black rifle.'"
I certainly wouldn't be writing "black rifle." I'll think about political speech and get back to you. My nit picking on that could have something to do with having been issued one of the rare rifles with "AR-15" on it for one of two phases of Army initial training (three months OSUT for my kind). Come to think of it, it's doubtful that any of those are being issued now, though. There were very few back then.
51
posted on
06/03/2007 3:12:31 PM PDT
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
To: RKV
The Grendel is certainly better than any sort of 223. Nonetheless when they say “super ballistics to the 7.62” they almost certainly mean superior to the 7.62 with the standard 149 gr bullets. Loading the 308 with 165 gr bullets fixes that and the 308 is still significantly bigger.
To: Nachoman
"I love the AR-15, but a Kalifornia legal one would be like having sex wearing a space suit." The only difference between mine and anyone elses in the Free World is the lack of a pistol grip and the ten round mag limit.
You may be thinking of these top loader abortions that are on the market. Gah!
53
posted on
06/03/2007 3:18:02 PM PDT
by
telebob
To: FredHunter08
"Some people can get carried away. ;)
Yep they do. Sorry if it was me.
By the way, did you know that the area of a ship where powder is.......well never mind. Take care and ditto's on Duncan Hunter.
54
posted on
06/03/2007 3:21:21 PM PDT
by
VR-21
To: VR-21
“Yep they do. Sorry if it was me.”
I should’ve put a smiley after the “have words” line.... ;)
“By the way, did you know that the area of a ship where powder is.......well never mind.”
You mean the ship’s powder clip. Heh heh. ;)
55
posted on
06/03/2007 3:22:45 PM PDT
by
FredHunter08
(Boycott Illegal-Alien-Pandering Lowes!)
To: RKV
Nice quote from Ted Nugent also...
Black rifles are cool. Case closed. The more the better.
Just needed to be repeated!
56
posted on
06/03/2007 3:23:11 PM PDT
by
VOA
To: rickdylan
You still have a weight penalty for the 7.62 compared to the 6.5 and 5.56 rounds. Lower weight per cartridge means more rounds carried in a combat load-out. The $64 question is “Is the 6.5 Grendel better than either 7.62 NATO or 5.56 in Iraq?” I suspect the answer is yes.
57
posted on
06/03/2007 3:23:20 PM PDT
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
To: pabianice
Perfectly put. An AK or an SKS will do the same job, better and cheaper, and most certainly more reliably, in most instances.
58
posted on
06/03/2007 3:25:22 PM PDT
by
GladesGuru
(In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
To: VOA
I do wonder why this found its way into print in the NYT. They never give up (hell they still think Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were innocent), so why even a semi-positive slant on this? Just to keep it in the public eye, so they can come back latter and call for a ban? Hmmmm.
59
posted on
06/03/2007 3:25:43 PM PDT
by
RKV
(He who has the guns makes the rules)
To: RKV
"The fact is, in many situations, a good bolt gun is pretty damn dangerous. Thats why the hell we still use them in the military. You have to operate a bit differently than with autos, but long range killing power does matter. The gang bangers wouldnt get it, cause theyre not thinking. Spray and pray isnt a winning tactic, even in urban ops."
Yes. If low-order gangsters were drawn to scoped hunting rifles, they would use the distance to avoid arrest more often and try exert more control over law-abiding, local government (especially municipal) leaders. Municipal lobbies and chiefs' associations should be opposing firearms bans instead of supporting them.
60
posted on
06/03/2007 3:25:50 PM PDT
by
familyop
(cbt. engr. [(cbt.) has-been])
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