Anti-Immigration Rally (Residents decry U.S. policies on illegal immigrants-Painesville, Ohio)

news-herald.com ^ | 03Jun07 | Jenny May

[Kimberly GG]

"I have a question: supporters of illegal labor claim they keep costs down by doing jobs that Americans won't do for the low wages, but, if these people are recognized as legal workers, won't the employers be required to pay minimum wage, pay workers comp insurance, state/local/fed taxes and, if they fall into the guidelines of health insurance requirements by number of employees, have to offer that as well?

So prices will be whatever it would have taken to hire americans anyway?"

Not necessarily. I mean, in theory yes, but you've made a few assumptions...1) the assumption that the Bill will secure the border, preventing a future wave of employable illegals, it will not 2) that American wages will remain unchanged, they will not, 3) that new immigration laws, including penalizing employers, will be enforced, they will not, and 4) assumed that amnesty/open borders agenda is being passed in a 'vaccume', when the Bill actually mirrors a bigger agenda, one for which passing legislation for amnesty/open borders are just the next two steps. That agenda, not mentioned in the following, can be found for comparison by googling "Creating a North American Community".

"The Bush amnesty-guestworker proposal would do a lot more than connect "willing workers" with "willing employers." It would fundamentally, harmfully change America's economic system, carry countless unintended consequences and undermine the nation's existence as a nation. The President proposes amnesty on the installment plan. Illegal aliens unlawfully holding a U.S. job would be rewarded with a perpetually renewable "temporary" work visa. Legalized lawbreakers could eventually get a "green card" for permanent residency and even naturalized citizenship - that is, full rights of law-abiding immigrants. This amounts to letting a bank robber go free and keep the money he stole!"....

"It puts every American job at risk of wage depression - the equivalent of predatory pricing strategies that break antitrust laws because they are anticompetitive. Economically, there's no need for more foreign workers, especially when you have as many as 18 million Americans who can't find a full-time job. And it's wrong to claim that foreign workers do jobs Americans won't do. The truth is, Americans can't afford to do those jobs for slave wages, crummy benefits, and poor working conditions. But Americans already make a living in construction, hotels, agriculture, restaurants, and other low-skill jobs in places where the labor market is allowed to work. A mega-guestworker program is corporate welfare and massive government micromanagement of the market. It lets Big Business, corporate farms and multinationals manipulate labor costs downward, while receiving a government subsidy for sticking it to Americans in the labor force. It disrupts the ability of the market to regulate actual supply and actual demand. And it penalizes businesses that don't use foreign workers, particularly small businesses. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=2782

[LadyNavyVet]

I’m tired of having Hillary held up as the Big Bad Dem Bogeyman who’s gonna get me if I don’t stay on the RINO plantation. Scaremongering is what liberals do to keep the uninformed in line. Conservatives should be above that.

I’ve about had it with the pathetic choices being offered by the Republican Party these days. Voting for RINOs and going along with liberal ideas like amnesty is like sipping from the bottle of arsenic instead of gulping it. Eventually you’re dead either way.

If conservatives don’t fight for conservative candidates and conservative ideas we’re dead in the long run. We can’t save this country by trying to coopt liberalism out of dire fear of a Dem being in office. The easiest way for a Dem to win in ‘08 is for the Republicans to run a RINO who espouses mushy liberal ideas like amnesty for illegals. Run a conservative who articulately and unabashedly espouses conservative ideas, and bankrupt liberalism doesn’t stand a chance.

[LonePalm]

Maybe we should build a bunch of these.

Deport the workers and their families will follow.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[Brad’s Gramma]

Great post Bump!!!

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Good point about the endless supply of undocumented illegal workers if the border is not secure, but my fear is more along the lines of the ACLU organizing the documented illegal workers, and them going on strike for better wages.

As your post said, there are many unintended possibilities, including workers filing a class action law suit for back benefits. If the government knowingly allows them to be paid less than minimum wages, with no benefits, they might win a court battle like the one some Microsoft contract employees won a few years back.

Just a thought of what might be possible

[Las Vegas Dave]

Good points made by both of you.......

[Las Vegas Dave]

http://www.wtam.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=122520&article=2211969

(Painesville) - A group called the Grassroots Rapid Response Team held a demonstration in Veterans Park in Painesville, upset over the immigration bill being worked on in Congress.

Organizer “Claudia” (below) says they want no amnesty for illegals in this country, and feel they should be sent back to their native lands. Claudia demands that the borders be sealed, and current immigration laws be enforced.

She claims it’s not a racial issue, and contends they are not targeting Latinos, they are against any group of people that are in the United States illegally.

Protesters held American flags, and signs saying “No Amnesty”. Many denounced our federal politicians and believe the government is letting them down, contending that U.S. citizenship has be earned and not given away.

Meanwhile, another raid for illegal immigrants in Lake County leads to 13 more arrests. A total of 37 people have now been taken into custody in the last two weeks in the Painesville area. Investigators say the sweeps to catch illegals in the area will continue.

[Las Vegas Dave]

More photos from WTAM 1100AM

[dforest]

You really are a great American citizen!

[WhyisaTexasgirlinPA]

Unfortunately Dave, I think there could be many unintended consequences to this bill.

[DollyCali]

JOE IS A FREEPER! HIS PIX IS ON MY PROFILE PAGE

THANKS FOR REPORT & PINGS. I WAS OUT OF TOWN & COULD NOT ATTEND. SOUNDS LIKE YOU DID WELL.

[Las Vegas Dave]

D’oh!

I didn’t know, welcome to FR Joe!