Posted on 05/30/2007 7:19:37 AM PDT by Reaganesque
Thompson WILL NOT take a VP slot. He stated that in no uncertain terms. There is no possible reason for him to do so.
>>a for-profit business holdings company owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
the Mormon Church also owns Bonneville Broadcasting which
has among its stations “Washington Post Radio” in DC
(the WaPo doesn’t own the stations but puts their content
on them)
Wikipedia: “Bonneville owns about 30 radio stations and one television station...On January 4, 2006, Bonneville and The Washington Post announced that the frequencies currently used by WTOP, 1500 kHz and 107.7 MHz, would be reassigned to a new station, “Washington Post Radio.” It’s kind of a weird setup; it looks like WaPo owns the station but under FCC
rules (unless grandfathered in) they can’t, I believe,
so I think Bonneville owns them and has the WaPo running them.
>>Kerry almost pulled it out.
Had his running mate won his home state, Lurch and the Silky
Pony would be running for re-election now...and had Gore
won HIS home state in ‘00...that would have put him over
the top.
Some on the Left argue that the pres. election should be decided by popular vote. That wouldn’t affect the ‘04 election
though as I believe W won by 5,000,000 votes or so nationwide.
You don’t think that attacking a candidate solely for being a Mormon is bigotry?
If so, then I respectfully disagree. I’m not a fan of Mitt, but a candidate’s faith ought to be off-limits. Surely there are plenty of substantive reasons to oppose him without resorting to the religion card.
The LDS Church Inc has several “for profit” companies who own many media outlets as you have so aptly stated.
They own agricultural businesses, insurance companies, Real Estate conglomerates. It is extrememly difficult in most cases to trace LDS money. They use venture capitalists like Mitt Romney to manage their assets.
Kinda makes you wonder just how Mitt made his huge fortune doesn’t it. Venture Capitalists like Mitt invest money for others. It would be an interesting task to dive into and sort out. I don’t know much about stocks, bonds, trading, umbrella companies, and venture capital, but I do know that many of the LDS heirarchy are CEOs of companies that fit the description of the above. I do know that the LDS Church has not published financial data for years (since the 1950’s). Do Americans really want Mitt for POTUS?
It is about useless to engage FastCoyote. He never lets facts get in the way of his diatribe. He must scout for Romney posts, because that is the only place I ever see him.
Every debate will be like an Evander Holyfield/Pee-wee Herman fight. Can’t wait!
I’d be quite happy with a Thompson/pres., Romney/VP ticket.
LOL! I just posted about seeing the FastCoyote character. You managed to round up all the other usual suspects. The only place I ever see their posts is on Romney threads. Too funny.
First of all, where were you when Pat Robertson ran for prez & his faith was being attacked? [OK, if you're a still a freckled-face lad, I guess you're off the hook :0 ]
Mitt's a two-timin' bishop...I mean two-term bishop...and a one-time stake prez in the LDS church. Imagine some Roman Catholic candidate whose background includes a few church titles. That person's faith is going to be treated irrelevant by most folks? (No way)
And so merely to bring up the faith is "bigotry?" (So two LDS folks are having his convo come next primary: "Who are you going to vote for?" The other says: "Mitt, he's Mormon." So I guess that's "bigotry," too, eh? An LDS person who sizes up Mitt as being Mormon and casts a vote only or primarily based on Mitt's religious tie.
Interesting that you should bring this up. Do you think that this article is incorrect or biased in favor of the candidate whose religion the publishers share? If so, where exactly does the bias manifest in the article?
At Intrade (which is presumably free of any baleful LDS influence) the chance of Romney winning the nomination is trading at 23%. Giuliani at 26.7%. Such probablities would appear to be consistent with the article's portrayal of Romney as a near front runner, would it not?
Coyote: “No, it doesnt”
Tick: "OH yes it does! Explicitly. Article VI...but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.
Fast Coyote is quicker to the draw in forming an accurate conclusion, where the Tick needs to steady his nerves (his fingers keep click-ticking away on that exclamation point!)
Concentrate, Tick, if you will upon that lengthy word near the end of your citation: The word, "qualification."
Let's not roll over that word, too fast, OK?
Qualification to any Office: You believe that Article VI halts the crux of objections to Romney based upon this? (Buzzer: You're wrong). Newsflash: Every person on the ballot, & even most write-in candidates, have proper "qualifications" to not be excluded from office consideration (based upon religious grounds).
Of course, millions of us have the "qualifications" to be considered a potential POTUS & shouldn't be excluded outright from a ballot because of the religion we hold! Nobody has a "Religious Ineligibility" tattoo on their forehead.
Bottom line: You confuse "qualifications" with "qualities." I focus on what voters base their votes on in the "real world": Qualities
Article VI says absolutely nothing...nada...zero...about how voters must weigh--or not weigh--the "qualities" of a candidate...So, nowhere does Article VI say that voters must 100% disregard character, beliefs, other-dimensionly commitments, and spiritual discernment in weighing candidates.
"Qualifications" have to do with what gets a man on a ballot. "Qualities" has to do with who gets elected. Therefore, please lay Article VI to rest.
I didn't assert any such thing. I simply responded to a post about Deseret News ownership.
I, for one, pray that Romney will be exposed for the panderer he is. I make no bones about it.
“It is about useless to engage FastCoyote.”
That’s because I usually win, so dunderheads often become quite frustrated.
“He never lets facts get in the way of his diatribe.”
Because I used to work for a political consultant who stressed you always have to have your facts 100% backed up, I NEVER make a post without being loaded for bear. For example, on the subject of Joseph Smith I now have dozens of sources whose material goes directly back to what the charlatan was doing. Here’s a good one:
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
You get to see how Heber Kimbal and others pimped their daughters and wives for access to Smith and the Celestial kingdom.
Now normally none of this would matter, except at the level of a presidential campaign. It is quite evident that High Melchizedek Priest Romney will be drawn into representing and debating these issues throughout a campaign and potential presidency. Having had experience with Mormons in power here in Nevada, I believe these issues are fundamental and highly disruptive. Consider me (and some others) the canaries in the mine, chirping our heads off.
“He must scout for Romney posts, because that is the only place I ever see him.”
Where were you when I was fighting Harry Reid tooth and nail at risk to life and limb? Harry is one reason I know so much about Mormons, for example how Harry is connected to his Mormon convert/protege/bribe taker/jailbird/councilman/congressional candidate Dario Herrera and the G-Sting scandal involving titty bar owner Michael Galardi. Bribes, Mormons, titty bars, the real mafia, all blend together so nicely here in Vegas. You’d think you’d understand my hesitation to endorse a Mormon presidency after my seeing the corruption here. When good Mormon folk’s get to be expecting to become Gods, bad things seem to happen. But I guess the three monkeys rule applies.
I’ve been on the site since 1998, so maybe you are the newbie. I don’t remember you except on the Mormon apologist threads.
Great post about qualification. Romney, you and I have the qualifications to run for office. It doesn’t mean we have the qualities that voters want in POTUS.
You will find my posts on many subjects in the past 7 years. As will you find others...what difference does it make to you, anyway?
The reason centers around the methodology of those in Mormonism who defend Mormonism by trying to shame Evangelicals (do an FR search on poster Saundra Duffy and read the posts from Mormonism adherents on her 'they shoot Mormons' thread), by taking scripture verses out of context, by playing Mormonism proselytizing games.
At the foundation of Mormonism is the assertion that ALL Christian sects and Catholicism are abominations in need of restoration of Apostolic Authority through Mormonism. The debate between Mormonism Apologists and Christians will cause a significant percentage of conservative Christians to avoid electing Mitt Romney because of the stark nature of the heresies in Mormonism and the bullying via political correctness by the Mormonism Apologists. The founder of Mormonism tried to rewrite the Bible to include a fabricate prophecy of his coming to restore the Christian Church as Mormonism (see LDS Joseph Smith translation Genesis 50:24 - 38).
If Fred runs (and I am now confident he will), a Thompson/HUnter ticket will be very strong no matter whom the Democraap Party nominates.
“You don’t think that attacking a candidate solely for being a Mormon is bigotry?”
No more so than you are a bigot for attacking anti-Mormons for expressing their reservations about what a Mormon presidency would lead too. You appear to be a bigot against ex-Mormons and anti-Mormons who have sincere political disagreements based on doctrine.
If a Catholic Bishop ran for the presidency would that be an issue? Bishop Mitt is hip deep in Mormon orthodoxy which I do not wish to promote.
But we know where this is headed, censorship for everyone who doesn’t toe the PC line.
What is also interesting is that when information is posted regarding the LDS church that doesn't thrill the mormon apologists at FR, their first response is to denigrate the source trying to discredit the information. The Deseret News is the "house organ" of the LDS church, as has been documented.
The seond response is generally to try to discredit the poster. "Bigot and "hate" are favorites. Of course they conveniently overlook the bigotry of Joseph Smith when he said "ALL Christian sects and Catholicism are abominations in need of restoration of Apostolic Authority through Mormonism." as shown in Post #57 by MHGinTN.
Sorry, forgot to ping you to #59.
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