Does 'the decider' decide on war?

World Net Daily ^ | May 30th, 2007 | Pat Buchanan

[Remember_Salamis]

Buchanan made the point on Scarborough last night that if the US plans to attack Iran, we should also be planning to build a new wing at Walter Reed.

Buchanan's point was that there will be a massive Shia uprising against US forces in Iraq if we attacked Iran; 150,000 hostages, forced to fight their way out of Iraq.

[rmlew]

Patty is an idiot.
1. Iran has Intermediate Range Ballistic Missles which can reach American forces in the region. Moreover, these missles can hit much of Europe, which includes a fair number of ALLIES.
2. One does not need a missle or even a warplane to hit the US. A disguised freighter or airliner can carry a nuclear device.
3. Iran has engaged in third-party invasion using Hizbullah, a Shia organization it controls.

On Iran's nuclear progress, there is a real question as to whether they are producing purified uranium. Iran's refusal to let the IAEA see what it is doing suggests it may be covering up failure.

Iran's security is threatened by its nuclear arms program, not by any failure of it. Patty's twist on logic is worthy of Pravda.
The Iranians are openly saying that they are processing uranium. The only issues is how much they are refining and how much is refined.

[rmlew]

Pat has finally made a cogent arguement for withdrawing from Iraq.

[Remember_Salamis]

rmlew,

What do YOU propose we do about Iran?

The more we threaten them, the more the ruling theocracy can use patriotism to stifle domestic opposition. The bulk of the population DESPISES the regime, but they are still patriotic. Attack them and you will see anti-Americanism in Iran skyrocket.

Analysts have been saying for years that even a secular, pro-Western Iranian state would be pursuing nuclear weapons. Hell, the current program was implemented by the Shah — and they weren’t too far off back then! Iran’s location, wealth, size, people, and history dictates that they be a regional power.

Attacking Iranian nuclear targets (if successful) only delays their nuclear program, with all the drawbacks: massive casualties in Iraq, a possible counterstrike by Hizbollah in the US, a assurance that the Mullahocracy will be in power for another generation.

[familyop]

We should do what our forefathers did during and after WWII. Defeat Iran's military forces and denazify it.

Denazification, cumulative review. Report, 1 April 1947-30 April 1948.
http://digital.library.wisc.edu/1711.dl/History.Denazi

As for Buchanan, his recycled Nazi propaganda shouldn't even be published.

[Remember_Salamis]

So I'm sure that you'll be the first in line to sign up to be one of the 4 million troops that we'll need to occupy and "denazify" like we did after WWII.

Also, Germany had a multi-century history of being a liberal (in the classical sense) society. No such thing in Iran. They're good as far as that part of the world goes, but it is not a Western country.

[familyop]

"Iran has Intermediate Range Ballistic Missles which can reach American forces in the region. Moreover, these missles can hit much of Europe, which includes a fair number of ALLIES."

After missile tests a few days ago, we know that Iran has missiles that can reach London.

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range)

[Jim Noble]

We should do what our forefathers did during and after WWII.

I hope you mean, like this:

"that the President be, and he is hereby, authorized and directed to employ the entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government to carry on war against the Imperial Government of Japan; and, to bring the conflict to a successful termination, all of the resources of the country are hereby pledged by the Congress of the United States."

[familyop]

"So I'm sure that you'll be the first in line to sign up to be one of the 4 million troops that we'll need to occupy and "denazify" like we did after WWII.

Also, Germany had a multi-century history of being a liberal (in the classical sense) society. No such thing in Iran. They're good as far as that part of the world goes, but it is not a Western country."

You neglected to mention that we were also at war with Japan during WWII, and that heavy intensity won't be required in order to defeat our current enemy due to contemporary weapons and tactics. All things considered (especially the difference in military capability between the USA and Iran), Iran would be far easier to defeat and denazify than Germany was.

[BuffaloJack]

The only recourse is a first strike that
1. takes out their ability to retaliate
2. takes out their nuclear facilities
3. takes out their oil resources
4. takes out their leadership\
The strike needs to be massive (maybe to include tactical nukes), fast and decisive.
It’s of no use being a superpower if we can’t act like one.
As for world opinion, the attack should make the world gasp and thank god it was them on the receiving end.
Whatever the world thinks, they will forget in 18 months, so who cares what they think.

[leadpenny]

It’s taking over six months to get five combat ready brigades into Iraq for the magic “surge,” where in the hell are we going to get the ground forces to take on Iran?

[familyop]

No, I was referring to our successful denazification of Germany. ...no Nazis allowed in media work, schools, government or business.

And our President has the constitutional power to wage war. Congress only has the choice as to whether or not to fund it.

[Remember_Salamis]

Iran would be far easier to defeat and denazify than Germany was.

Any evidence? The Germans weren't even hostile towards us. I'll bet that radical Shias will fire EFPs at us -- just a hunch.

[Remember_Salamis]

exactly.

[Remember_Salamis]

I don’t know where to begin with your ridiculous claims; First, the Iraqi shia would flip out and launch a full-scale attack on our troops there. Second, we will forever ensure hatred for the US for the bulk of the Iranian population that actually likes the United States. Third, there will be all of the repercussions from “carpet bombing”.

[familyop]

"The Germans weren't even hostile towards us."

Now we know we know where you're coming from.

"I'll bet that radical Shias will fire EFPs at us -- just a hunch."

That's funny! The German military used quite a bit more than what are now described as "EFPs," and that was a long time ago.

[familyop]

"The Germans weren't even hostile towards us."

You have something in common with Buchanan.

[Remember_Salamis]

After they surrendered dummy. There was no resistance, as we expected.

[BuffaloJack]

What claims? I have given no claims only my opinion.
If I were in charge I bomb Iran massively.