Posted on 05/26/2007 6:03:10 PM PDT by WOSG
Just in case you were wondering about Romney’s position on “gay rights”...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840234/posts
Romney Supports Tolerance for Gays, But Not Public Servants Who Speak Against Homosexuality
BTW, I missed his "even stronger" statements. Could you provide a link to them?
Anyway, I stand by my statement that Thompson believes deportation of the illegals is unrealistic and that Thompson has no concrete plan for dealing with the problem. From everything I've heard him say so far, he's going to dance around the issue just like every other blockhead who's currently in this race, with the possible exceptions of Hunter and Tancredo.
Haha...you lied and I caught you and all you do is gloss over it.
Now you’re doing it again, using selective quotes that are misstating the facts.
I believe Fred Thompson over an underhanded liar like you any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I may post some of them for others in the AM if I am so inclined. However, I don’t do research for lying scum like you.
LOL.
In the past all the threads about politics would be hijacked with immigration stuff.
This was supposed to be a thread about immigration. Now you are hijacking it with politics.
my title was a mistake!
Chew on this:
http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/mac_donald04-13-05.htm
And this:
A plurality of 48 percent favored imposing some controls on immigration. But large minorities on either side disagreed, with a quarter of respondents saying the United States should open its borders to all immigrants, and a quarter saying that the borders should be completely closed. These polarized positions may help explain the acrimony of the immigration debate across the nation.
We can win on this issue politically, if we are smart.
What ever I take what you say with no grain of salt!
“I’m concerned about the country’s reaction,there’s no way to predict how bad that reaction could become.”
That’s why we need to ACT now, rather than re-act later, but if it passes, reaction is, imo, a must. The sovereignty and security of our country depends on it.
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I’m not sure why so many people are pushing Fred Thompson. Maybe, I’m biased because I’ve discovered through research that the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill would not have passed without Fred’s undaunted support of it. I hate campaign finance reform because it limits our first amendment freedoms. Last election, my mother got pulled over by an attorney for handing out voter guides she made herself from research. With McCain’s legislation, in the days preceding an election, one has to now be apart of an official campaign. Also, if you are still unconvinced, look at Kentucky, last Tuesday, they had an governor primary. Ernie Fletcher the Republican incumbent should have had no chance since he has been convicted of misdemeanor crimes as governor. Thanks to McCain and his buddy Fred Thompson, grassroots efforts for unheard of candidates does not get off the ground. Now, the Democrat will have an easy win in Kentucky. The same was true in my home state with Senator Mike Dewine and now he has been replaced by the extreme liberal Sherrod Brown.
Although he voted pro-life as a Senator, Thompson promoted big-tent restructuring of the Republican party in 1996 where abortion was deemphasized; and Bob Dole lost.
Fred Thompson is also a globalist and serves on the Council of Foreign Relations. For those who think he is great on immigration, go to www.ontheissues.org and look up his voting record. He has consistently supporting Mexican workers taking the place of American workers and supports NAFTA and our trade arrangements with China which each have cost America 1.8 million jobs.
Duncan Hunter is a much better candidate and makes Thompson’s conservitism look moderate. I also belive Duncan Hunter is the most electable too. He is the only Republican candidate with a real plan and motivation to change these trade laws which are causing American jobs to leave our shores. For my home state, Ohio and and the rest of the rust belt, this is a major issue. President Bush had a very difficult time winning Ohio because of all of the manufacturing jobs we have lost.
I encourage you to do your research and be intellectually honest. Always remember, the Republicans cannot win without the votes of Christian conservatives like me.
Romney, McMainiac, Guliani or Thompson would be far worse than Hillary.
They are just as much evil socialists, but they would fool enough conservatives to go along with them to finish off this nation.
Hillary fools only the most foolish of fools.
Fred Thompson is providing lip service as a staunch conservative when he is clearly weak on this issue and would also like to gloss over campaign finance reform. Right now he’s trying to act as if he is solid on these issues but he has shown bad judgment as with the info you provided. He’s proven to be too much in the ‘maverick’, close friend of McCain mold. We need a solid conservative who does not cave on important issues such as this. And, for the record, Fred needs to decide NOW rather than being the lazy, tired, good for nothing candidate he is being now. He is not showing he has the mettle outside the hype.
But don’t you know Fred Thompson is a glitzy actor?!! THAT is reason enough to have him as GOP nominee! /s
That’s what people would like us all to believe. Fred is a decent conservative but he shows a little too much bad judgments on important issues such as campaign finance reform and his softness for illegal immigration to not be fawned over like he is. He was not an effective Senator and was too much of the softy with the Demonrat opposition. He provides no change for the GOP. I wouldn’t trust him with a Demonrat Congress. And he has never proven himself an effective messenger.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong headed I believe you are when it comes to there being so little real difference between the two useless parties on so many social and economic issues and I’m entitled to my own opinion and vote accordingly after seeing what is happening and has been happening in politics in Washington and in my state capitol for far too many years now. I also refuse to accept weak and phony excuses to keep voting for our nations destruction and that is exactly what is happening when sheeple refuse to consider the principled vote over the party vote.
Have a meaningful Memorial Day holiday.
“He has consistently supporting Mexican workers taking the place of American workers and supports NAFTA and our trade arrangements with China which each have cost America 1.8 million jobs.”
That statement is beyond dubious. We have created about 10 million jobs in the last 12 or so years since NAFTA was created and the economy has done well. We have no special deals with China except for that we buy and sell with them.
Trade doesnt hurt our country, it helps it.
What hurts our economy is socialist economic policies by our own Government.
Protectionism will not save us but make things work. OTOH if we simply moved from taxing production to taxing consumption we would get most of the way to balancing the imbalance on trade.
I share your grave distate for McCain-Feingold.
Are all these people just trying to smear your candidate?
Or is there perhaps some solid factual evidence that Thompson would not be good on immigration issues?
Thanks for asking! Here’s just a partial list of what we know about Fred Thompson so far:
From Fred Dalton Thompson’s voting record, we know that he consistently voted for gun owners (the NRA called him a “staunch supporter of the Second Amendment”), against abortion, for business, against higher taxes, for a balanced budget, for a strong defense, for ANWR drilling, for capping foreign aid, for free trade, for private property rights, for personal retirement accounts, for the Iraq War Resolution and for welfare reform.
From his interest group ratings, we know that FDT earned a perfect zero from National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action, a perfect 100% from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, only 11% from the ACLU, 86% from the American Conservative Union, 86% from the Center for Security Policy, a perfect zero from the American Federation of Teachers, 6% from the National Education Association, 90% from the League of Private Property Voters, 97% from the National Tax Limitation committee, 88% from the National Taxpayers Union and a perfect zero from the liberal ADA. In a 1995 analysis, Project Vote Smart listed Thompson as having supported Contract With America items 100% of the time.
We know that among FDT’s Senate accomplishments were his election as Chairman of the Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs in 1997, making him among the most junior senators in history to serve as Chairman of a major Senate Committee. He served as Chairman until June of 2001.
We know that the Governmental Affairs Committee is charged with overseeing the management of the federal government. We kow that during his Chairmanship, Sen. Thompson’s committee actively pursued an agenda aimed at producing a smaller, more efficient, and more accountable government. Of his efforts, the Kingsport Times-News wrote, “Sen. Thompson is to be applauded for keeping a watchful eye over Washington fiscal matters. There should be more like him.”
We know that Sen. Thompson held hearings on topics such as improving the federal regulatory process; reforming the IRS; exploring ways to eliminate waste, fraud, and abuse; and a number of national security issues, including the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and missile technologies. Thompson also investigated and successfully enacted solutions to information management problems such as the security of the federal government’s and the military’s computer systems.
We know that Thompson was also a member of the powerful Senate Committee on Finance, which has jurisdiction over taxes, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare reform, and international trade. From this position, he focused on reducing taxes, reforming the tax code to make it simpler and fairer, and restoring the Social Security and Medicare programs to long-term solvency.
We know that while he was a strong supporter of free trade, Sen. Thompson advocated a balanced approach to trade and national security. He pushed for an export control policy that protects our country’s national security without unnecessarily burdening American industry with bureaucratic red tape. He also proposed legislation to curb the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction by China and other countries and to strengthen the United States’ response to such activities.
We know that FDT served on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the National Security Working Group, which observes and monitors executive branch negotiations with foreign governments.
We know that even the liberal Washington Monthly, in a 1999 hit piece on Thompson, had to begrudgingly admit that as a Senator, Thompson worked hard to keep his campaign promises. We know that Democratic strategist Bob Beckel admitted, in a discussion on Fox News’ Hannity & Colmes program, that Fred Thompson for president would be the Dems’ “worst nightmare” because of his communications skills and ability to appeal to swing voters. We know that many backers of Fred’s GOP opponents such as yourself attack him for no other reason than he poses a major threat to their candidates even before he officially gets in the race.
We know that Thompson isn’t perfect. We are aware of his stances on immigration (he wasn’t a hawk on it) and McCain? Feingold (he supported it) in the 1990s. But we also know that those votes were a full decade ago, and since then FDT has taken a much tougher stance on securing our borders before all else, and he has admitted that McCain Feingold was campaign finance reform gone bad.
We know that Mitt Romney had a change of heart and mind on gays, guns and abortion, so we believe that FDT should at least be given some consideration for admitting that both he and Ronald Reagan were wrong on immigration, and the reforms he hoped McCain-Feingold would produce didn’t turn out to be “reforms” at all. We know that Fred is a stand-up guy, and he will answer questions on any issues honestly and in a straitforward manner when he gets into the race.
We know that Fred Thompson is media-savvy, has a commanding presence, enjoys superb name recognition (thanks to his Law & Order and movie roles and his hard-hitting commentary for ABC Radio) and left the Senate with a solid conservative voting record. We know that Fred is the first to admit that there was and will ever be only one Ronald Reagan, and Fred is one of Reagan’s smartest students and most consistent disciples. We know that like Reagan, Thompson is that rare sort of conservative who can sell conservative ideas to moderates and independents. And we know that, again like Reagan, Thompson may be the only potential candidate who can unite the factions of the Republican Party right now.
Oh, and we know that Ronald Reagan was an actor/entertainer and a radio commentator, too.
That’s just a few of the things we know about Fred. But it was and is compelling enough to ignite and maintain the momentum of a grassroots movement to draft Fred to run for President of the United States. And we know that we won’t rest until Fred has taken the oath of office.
source: FredThompsonFAQ.com
I know you don't post any links to your sources for "lying scum" like me, but I'll post some Thompson links for you anyway.
Duncan Hunter is a hawk on ALL immigration, both legal and illegal. Fred Thompson is not and nobody claims he is. Fred Thompson is for securing our borders first and foremost. Fred Thompson wants to enforce and strengthen existing laws to make it less desirable for illegals to remain in the United States.
Fred Thompson thinks that the entire debate about guest workers and visas should be shelved until the government proves that they can enforce existing laws to curb illegal immigration and significant headway is made. Fred Thompson's position is simply common sense.
A person like you that uses misquotes and halftruths to 'prove' their arguments, isn't worth arguing with. You're nothing but a troll. But let's have some of those links, shall we?
Let's start here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1840027/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839904/posts http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1839544/posts http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=409614&SPID=15663
And a video of the part of his speech in CT that addresses the issue:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H3zhZu0S5w
The full video of that speech: http://www.latestpolitics.com/blog/2007/05/fred-thompson-in-ct-the-full-video.html
The video of the original Fox News interview with Chris Wallace that you deliberately misquoted earlier:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snw7_6mJf5c
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3z4mqRn7I
Happy reading and viewing.
Thanks for the input WOSG. I like to make an extreme initial stance on negotiations with tyrants so they will take notice. Then I can momderate my position to ‘give’ them and so they can ‘give’ me some. You think it’s cruel to deport all illegals? I don’t. If some of them have legals in their families, I say give them a choice: they can leave the legals here, or the legals can go with them! That way there is no mandated breaking up of families. Good luck finding out who belongs to which family anyway, the import types really believe in ‘it takes a village...’.
You don’t think the US can deport all the illegals? I do. Suire it would take some time, but it can be done. I think the main reason it isn’t being done is because of the lily livered cowards we have for politicians. They are afraid of setting off a civil war IMHO. Great, I say if this happens, then we will have even more reason to deport them. The illegals, too!
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