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"Republican Party Falling Apart"
The Post Chronicle ^ | May 22, 2007 | By Basil Harrington

Posted on 05/22/2007 9:29:44 AM PDT by SittinYonder

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To: Parley Baer
Looks like the makings of a DU/Libertarian thread.

If Tancredo and Hunter are DU/Libertarian candidates, the GOP is lost.

21 posted on 05/22/2007 9:47:17 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder
I love rants, but this part was stupid:

If Seung-Hui Ch? had not been allowed to immigrate hither, the Virginia Tech massacre would not have happened.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 9:48:06 AM PDT by Paradox (In the final analysis, its mostly a team sport, Principles cast off like yesterdays free agents.)
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To: SittinYonder

In spite of the author’s passion, the piece comes off as an unfocused rant.


23 posted on 05/22/2007 9:49:29 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: AmericanMade1776
Extremes will never make it from either party, you come off looking like Kooks.

Tom Tancredo's positions are not extreme for the Republican Party. Of course they weren't. Now that George W. Bush - biggest government growth, ever! - and Rudy Giuliani and McCain are the party leaders, I guess you're right. Tancredo is extreme.

24 posted on 05/22/2007 9:50:00 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: GSWarrior
In spite of the author’s passion, the piece comes off as an unfocused rant.

Yeah, but here and there are points worth discussing.

25 posted on 05/22/2007 9:50:38 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder
And then there's free trade, which is destroying our economy and undermining our sovereignty

Sorry. The facts show otherwise. Protectionism is a far bigger danger. Also, this idea of a third party just plays into the hands of liberals and allows them to take over completely.

What is going on right now with the immigration issue shows that we do have power over elected officials when we get off our duffs and let them know.

26 posted on 05/22/2007 9:51:07 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SittinYonder
“neoliberal corporate globalism, not the party of conservatism,”

What exactly is “conservative” about: high trade barriers, public ownership of businesses, large government budget deficits, or government subsidies for special interests? Those are all things neoliberalism is against — classical liberalism for that matter.

The term “liberal” doesn’t mean the same in the U.S. that it does elsewhere. (Or at least used to mean.) The term was co-opted by socialists in the U.S. Of course, the new American definition of “liberal” is spreading to the rest of the world — so it’s just a matter of time before no one remembers a time when being a “liberal” wasn’t all bad.

BTW, “liberal” and “libertarian” are not synonymous.

27 posted on 05/22/2007 9:51:11 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: WhiteGuy

WhiteGuy,
That is a bit to drastic. First of all there will be Fred Thompson who has a good chance at getting the candidate. Please don’t go to far in thinking that those three are the only good picks. Tom Tancredo, Ron Paul, and Duncan Hunter are hard sells. Duncan Hunter lost 50 percent of his support this week according to Rasmussen Poll from 2 percent back to 1 percent. Mitt Romney would be a candidate that you might support also. I can understand Rudy, but McCain might be a great War President. The only thing I ask is that you don’t make such drastic choices until you really see who the candidate is going to be. Who knows maybe there is still someone out there that has not announced yet that we don’t know about.
Sincerely,
Bob


28 posted on 05/22/2007 9:51:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

I’ve already made my choice.

Not that it’s any of your business anyway.


29 posted on 05/22/2007 9:51:27 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: Moose4
The piece makes some good points, but the isolationist foreign policy is a recipe for disaster.

I agree, and that's where I diverge with Ron Paul.

30 posted on 05/22/2007 9:51:53 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder
The GOP has become the party of neoliberal corporate globalism

I agree precisely. Feed them some of their own Chinese dog food.

31 posted on 05/22/2007 9:52:41 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: wastedyears
I like Tancredo’s views on the issues.

We've got good candidates in the race this year, but Tancredo is the one who has the consistent, across the board conservative record.

32 posted on 05/22/2007 9:54:06 AM PDT by SittinYonder (Ic þæt gehate, þæt ic heonon nelle fleon fotes trym, ac wille furðor gan)
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To: SittinYonder
And it is because of the neocon war machine in the Middle East that we are hated.

And with this line, the credibility of this piece whirlpools down the the bottom of the toilet and is whisked away...

APf

33 posted on 05/22/2007 9:54:55 AM PDT by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: SittinYonder

Agreed!


34 posted on 05/22/2007 9:55:14 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: grb
Agreed. A mismanaged war does not equal no war. One way we could have done it is to go in, setup a perimeter, kicked azz, pulled back and watched. Wash, rinse, repeat. Until the message was understood.

We, and the Iraqi's, would be celebrating now.

:O)

P
35 posted on 05/22/2007 9:57:27 AM PDT by papasmurf (FRed one liners...click my name. FRed & JC , for Pres.and VeePee.)
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To: SittinYonder

I will be voting for either Tom or Duncan. Whom ever comes out ahead in the early Jan 2008 voting.


36 posted on 05/22/2007 10:00:08 AM PDT by LM_Guy
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To: Clemenza
The Democratic Party, which in the 19th century was the conservative party while the GOP was the left-wing party

With this one sentence, Basil proves himself to be a mo-ron.

And the responder proves he knows nothing of history. Either that or a Claremont Institute follower. Pretty much the same thing.

The Democratic party of the mid 19th century, while not completely conservative, held closer to the ideals envisioned by the Framers. Meanwhile the Whig/Republicans were too busy pushing a national bank, internal improvements, and other nonsensical ventures put forward by ilk like Hamilton, that fool Clay, and his lackey Abe under the auspices of the 'American System'. As to the article

Bush's foreign policy is not conservative. It is Wilsonian nation building.

Can't be said loudly enough.

37 posted on 05/22/2007 10:01:03 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: SittinYonder

He left out Fred Thomposon or even Newt Gingirch who engineered the Contract with America.

Otherwise, I totally agree with him.

THe Republican Party has been betrayed by the Bushes, the McCains, the Giulianis, the Hegels, the Snowes, etc.

But his isolationism is a bit extreme.


38 posted on 05/22/2007 10:04:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: SittinYonder
>“We are the last best hope of Western civilization...when we go under, Western civilization goes under”


39 posted on 05/22/2007 10:04:54 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: napscoordinator

The only thing I ask is that you don’t make such drastic choices until you really see who the candidate is going to be.

You know what, you seem very sincere, and I appreciate that.

But unless there is a drastic change, a 180 on a number of issues.........issues that have been made possible only by republican control of government for the past 6 years, I will be voting the Paul / Tancredo ticket regardless of who the gop candidate is.

Many will be able to over look some of these republican initiatives(credit Jim Robinson):
The war.
Failure to secure the borders.
Amnesty.
McCain-Feingold.
Big government.
Big spending.
Abortion.
Gay marriage/gay agenda.
Gun control.
Failure to protect private property.
Failure to abide by the constitution.
Failure to enforce the law.
Corruption.
Too many RINOs.
Lack of spine.
Loss of testicles.
Failure to run conservative candidates.

I will not.


40 posted on 05/22/2007 10:05:01 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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