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Border Patrol Agents Blast New Immigration Bill
The Moderate Voice ^ | May 20,2007 | By Joe Gandelman

Posted on 05/20/2007 8:06:50 AM PDT by Politicalmom

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To: Politicalmom

To summarize politics in the last few months... the Democrats sell out the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and with Republican help sell out the Border Patrol agents at the Mexican border.


21 posted on 05/20/2007 8:50:33 AM PDT by omega4412 (Multiculturalism kills. 9/11, Beslan, Madrid, London, Salt Lake City)
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To: hophead
Last I could find, the actual language for the bill is not even been written yet.

My point exactly.

I'm reserving comment until I can read at least the draft, not the talking points that the media are putting out. It's been amusing (and sad) to see the stampede to the microphones, by media and poiticians, shrieking about something nobody but the drafters have read (and I'm not sure about some of them.)

22 posted on 05/20/2007 8:53:37 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: Politicalmom

Let’s repeat it again.

Not “undocumented workers.”

INVADERS !!!


23 posted on 05/20/2007 8:56:59 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Politicalmom
Here's why the "agreement" legislation is crap, and the BP knows it:

Triggers include: o 18,000 (CBP) Border Patrol hired -- This provision is NOT FUNDED. It is meaningless. They have had problems hiring and training 3,000 new agents in a year. This cannot occur as promised.

Resources to detain up to 27,500 aliens per day -- Again, this is not funded. Another totally empty promise.

Increased penalties for illegally entry and reentry -- the existing penalties aren't being enforced. Why should anyone believe the "increased" penalties will be?

..designs a worksite enforcement system that relies on electronic employment verification -- Ha, ha. the government has been trying to do this for more than 10 years, spending billions, and none of its sytems work. Although credit card companies can manage to do basically the same thing, government can't. This is more pie-in-the-sky.

The employer must attest that the Y worker will be paid not less than the greater of the actual wage paid by the employer to all other similarly situated workers or the “prevailing competitive wage -- Oh, yeah. This was the whole premise of the H1B visa, and it IS A BIG LIE. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have been laid off after training their visa-holding replacements who work for a third of the salary, isn't that right, Bill Gates?

In order to be eligible for this Z visa, one must have been illegally present within the U.S. before January 1, 2007. -- Whole new industry in fraudlent documents showong illegal presence prior to 1-1-07. Surprise! 30 million apply for Z visa and gain immediate legitimate presence in our country.

Individuals under the age of 30 that were brought to the United States out of their own control as a minor are eligible to receive their green card after 3 years rather than 8. -- Just more incedntive for illegals to bring their benefit-sucking kids along.

What a bill of goods.

24 posted on 05/20/2007 8:57:10 AM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: hophead
There is a 336 page draft circulating. Around page 245 you will find the “Z” series visas. One requirement is that the applicant must prove he is here illegally. The z (mark of Zorro) last for up to 8 years during which they are in “parole” status while they can qualify for citizenship.
25 posted on 05/20/2007 9:00:03 AM PDT by lag along
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To: Politicalmom

The new “Immigration Bill” renders border patrol agents irrelevant; “just open the borders and let ‘em all come,” seems to be the federal attitude. Habla espanol, everyone?


26 posted on 05/20/2007 9:00:13 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SandyInSeattle

Sandy the bill is AMNESTY.You can wait and read all you want but it’s a sellout and it’s going to lead to ANOTHER 20 million poor, uneducated people coming here as soon as possible !!!


27 posted on 05/20/2007 9:01:17 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: o_zarkman44

Problem is that Bush prosecutes and persecutes and border guard who enforces current law. Those of us who supported Bush in the past were wrong. He may be better than Kerry and Gore but he is still giving away US soveringty.


28 posted on 05/20/2007 9:05:08 AM PDT by paguch
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To: Politicalmom
The reason: even though the bill is a compromise and what politicos on both sides of the issue say is the best chance to pass any kind of a bill this year (or for some years to come), it’s being blasted by some on both sides of the issue. The Christian Science Monitor:

This is where they all fall down. Pass a bill? Why? All we need to do is enforce the existing laws, especially the ones against employers hiring illegals. Fine them, jail them and close their shops. There would soon be an exodus across the border to the south.

Read my lips politicians: We don't need immigration reform, we need you to enforce the law!

29 posted on 05/20/2007 9:11:09 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Obie Wan
You can wait and read all you want

Well, I'm kinda quirky that way. I prefer to read for myself and draw my own conclusions.

That didn't stop me, however, from emailing Congressman Reichert and expressing my hope that the House will do their job and insist on enforcement before there is any talk of what to do with the people already here.

My senators are a lost cause (Murray and CantDoWell), but I may email them anyway just to annoy them.

30 posted on 05/20/2007 9:13:12 AM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: Politicalmom

I guess President Shrub will have to lock up all 11,000 of these agents along with Ramos and Compean.


31 posted on 05/20/2007 9:13:20 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: SandyInSeattle

I used to write to my Congressman (John Olver,Mass) about different issues and the guy would occasionally send me a form letter back on them. He NEVER agreed with me on a single issue,however there still might be hope.I never asked him what color the sky was on a sunny day !!!


32 posted on 05/20/2007 9:18:39 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: SandyInSeattle
My senators are a lost cause (Murray and CantDoWell), but I may email them anyway just to annoy them.

Don't be so sure they're a lost cause. Last year we pounded Debbie Stabenow into submission and she voted "No" on chain immigration.
33 posted on 05/20/2007 9:19:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: lag along

“One requirement is that the applicant must prove he is here illegally.”

Watch the ACLU get on this one. How does one prove they are ILLEGAL? That kind of sounds like you will be forced to “incriminate” yourself. Will there be a constitutional question here?


34 posted on 05/20/2007 9:47:53 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: hophead

From the protestors on the illegal side, that appears to be their primary concern.


35 posted on 05/20/2007 9:57:15 AM PDT by lag along
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To: James W. Fannin
A weary aide put it more bluntly: “Now, we’re all about to become piñatas for our respective groups.”

Pinatas?

I don't think so.


36 posted on 05/20/2007 12:18:21 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

The piñatas remark shows how naive these staffers are. They live in cocoons.


37 posted on 05/20/2007 4:25:01 PM PDT by James W. Fannin (unappeasable)
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To: James W. Fannin
They all believe that Americans will put up with anything, even the loss of their country and their freedom.

And they might be right.

We're sure going to find out.

38 posted on 05/20/2007 4:35:10 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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