Posted on 05/19/2007 8:20:13 AM PDT by RDTF
People believe what they want to believe or what they fear might actually be true. Jesse MacBeth played to their wants and fears and saturated their emotions dulling their reasoning. Thus they ate up every word.
I suspect the anti war vets have a few pretenders among them. After all, John Kerry’s anti war vets also included people who never served. These groups attract that kind of person.
It is just a lesson to anyone dealing with someone making large claims. If in doubt, check the DD-214. If it is not in there then it was either a classified award which they shouldn't be telling you about or it was never awarded. Every veteran has signed their DD-214 to verify its accuracy.
Most of the time these worthless people are giving a “Unfit for military service” discharge. Worst than a Dishonorable Discharge in that a person may be a fit for service and serve satisfactorily but commit a crime deserving of a Dishonorable Discharge. Most in the unfit category are unfit for any decent occupation.
“I am first amazed and disturbed that anyone, I mean anyone, would believe that crap.”
That was my first thought, too.
“Secondly I am amazed that these “peace” lovers that taped and listened to his BS and believed him, held hiim up as some kind of hero and believing that he killed so many innocents.”
I haven’t heard anybody say it in years, but there used to be a saying, “If it isn’t true, it ought to be.” Ought to be is enough for those people.
“The sick twisted mind of a liberal commie.”
All leftist thought is of and from Satan.
“Every veteran has signed their DD-214 to verify its accuracy.”
You shouldn’t discount the reality that a lot of men signed their 214 knowing that it contained wrong information because they were in a hurry to get checked out and home.
When this idiot first came to light he provided a DD-214 where the “modifications” were so obvious even Dan Rather could have seen it was a fake. The funny thing was that the Army released a synopsis of his not so extensive service to the press and let the media and real veterans groups do the rest.
Okay. My comments weren’t directed specifically at this POS, but were just meant to be a caution that the fact that an award is missing from a 214 doesn’t *always* prove that it wasn’t awarded.
Damn; imitating a progressive lib gives me a freakin headache!
What kind of time can he potentially receive?
He’s looking at eternity for bearing false witness.
On earth? I’d like to see him up on charges for sedition.
Yes, I’m familiar with that but my own DD214 does not have sufficient details on my service (if someone wanted to verify certain details), for example: ships I served on, Command I was under, TAD to another ship for a special assignment (no, not some black ops, very mundane!). For those details, you must dig deeper through FOI act, but it can be found and it is a hassle but worthwhile if you’re uncovering a fraud.
Oddly enough, even local (maybe ESPECIALLY) LE are predisposed to believe these frauds if they know just enough military jargon, etc., and not pursue verification.
I've heard those stories. It is a foolish thing to do and today the transition classes (at least in the Navy) require you to understand the importance of the DD-214 and what signing it really means (even down to what the reenlistment codes actually mean). The classes also inform seperatees how they can fix their DD-214s and service records which apparently is not a particularly easy or fun task. I can understand that somebody might not want to correct their DD-214 or service record due to the pain it will be but then again they had better not be saying things that they performed while in the service that aren't explicitly listed on it.
Ok, I understand that point. What I was talking about was awards, rank, schools attended, etc. For myself my DD-214 doesn't include the watches I qualified, only my general enlistment categorization. For that I have to present a Page 7 (for the Navy) that lists those. My DD-214 also doesn't include evaluations. I have to present those as well. And it doesn't give the wording of the awards that I was presented. So I have to present those as well. Thus I tend to bring a lot of paperwork to interviews. But I can prove everything that I say.
What does a Rat do?
1. Rats hate America
2. Rats perjure
3. Rats betray
4. Rats organize and support Rats who are committed to 1-3
5. When Rats are caught (Sandy Burglar) they are wrist slapped and their offenses tucked into the Orwellian memory hole.
6. Abortion is the only population control for Rats—had the Rats not enthusiastically murdered millions of their base since 1973, we would already be in a Rat dictatorship.
This is what Rats do. Questions?
Yep. Mine is missing multiple awards; when you are young and in a hurry to ETS, you assume you can straighten this stuff out later. I had the certificate, letter, and even a picture of me getting one of the awards (my first ARCOM), but had never received the orders.
Yes, that’s true. I see what you were driving at, it does require more follow up like you say, I agree. The information is there, it just takes lots of digging especially if you’re working with very little information with an uncooperative subject who has keyed on to what you’re doing! It is amazing the readiness to believe the fantastical stories of phony vets however.
Maybe that’s primarily those that have not experienced the military, while the rest of us will raise flags and think, “Now, wait a minute, that doesn’t sound quite right...”.
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