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Great Britain's Police: Government is 'criminalising middle England'
The Telegraph (U.K.) ^ | May 14, 2007 | John Steele

Posted on 05/14/2007 10:11:31 AM PDT by Stoat

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To: Vaquero
"Every time time a kid gets suspended or expelled from school because he makes his fingers into a gun and goes bang. Every time someone is arrested and/or convicted of a hate crime. (read that as a thought crime). Ever time someone is kicked out of school on gay appreciation day because they are wearing a traditional family T-shirt. Every time a border guard gets a prison sentence for shooting and armed drug smuggler."

1 out of 4 are civilian police matters.

Grow up.

61 posted on 05/14/2007 12:52:33 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: Dead Corpse

Okay, well move up to Idaho and barricade yourself in then.

~grin~


62 posted on 05/14/2007 12:54:27 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: VaBthang4
"the same crap is happening here in the good old US of A."

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Oh no it isnt you dummy.

But once the control freak, do gooder Liberals get a lock on power...slowly but surely, then it will be.

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Oh yes it is. And it started in the public school system where they have over-codified everything and "criminalized" all sorts of little mischiefs. We are not there yet, but we certainly are on the wrong side of the slippery slope.

63 posted on 05/14/2007 12:59:11 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: Stoat

bump for later


64 posted on 05/14/2007 1:26:42 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: VaBthang4

Your clueless.

go back to DU.


65 posted on 05/14/2007 1:53:06 PM PDT by Vaquero (time again for the Crusades.)
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To: CaptRon
Funny you should mention British slang books. I have one I bought years ago, but I doubt this would be in it.

Slang is a language form that changes very rapidly, and so these web-based dictionaries are oftentimes quite a bit more up to date than a published book.  Some sites update more frequently than others, so when searching for a term check another site or two if you don't find what you're looking for at first.

 I actually bought it to write a book about an episode in American history (still in the planning stages after 30 years) which was close enough to the Revolution that I thought it would be relevant!

I'm hoping that you'll soon get beyond the planning stages of this work that you speak of, as your contributions online have always been engaging, insightful and welcome, and I'm guessing that a more studious effort of yours would be quite well received by publishers and readers alike..  :-)

Regarding slang terms as well as mainstream words accepted in polite society around the time of the Revolutionary War, you may possibly find the Oxford English Dictionary to be of some slight help, as word origins and variations going back hundred of years or more are commonly discussed.  Be sure to look in the "full" (17 or so volumes) version found at better libraries, as the 2-volume abridged versions will likely be missing precisely what you're looking for.

66 posted on 05/14/2007 8:23:01 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
going back hundred of years

Correction: should be "hundreds of years"

67 posted on 05/14/2007 8:31:20 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: rod1
Is Middle England anything like Middle Earth?

If the Walsings are criminalized at the drop of a hat, I would hate to think how they must treat the Niberlungens.

Sadly, in modern England they would probably prevent Brunnhilde from wearing her classic headdress.

 

Such attire would likely be viewed as being considerably more of a detriment to the common good than a child throwing a pastry at a bus.

68 posted on 05/14/2007 9:16:42 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: rednesss

“Seems to be a growing, lucrative business (383% growth rate). These are total numbers of people under correctional supervision.”

Interesting. However, while it does account for the decline in crime, it doesn’t support your point.


69 posted on 05/14/2007 11:05:15 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc
Locking people up is not accounting for the decline in crime. Violent crime rates are at the lowest levels since the early 70's. The data is out there, just look it up. Go here: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov for data from the DOJ's Bureau of Justice.

Still don't think that the Justice/Corrections Industry is a booming industry????

70 posted on 05/15/2007 9:54:19 AM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

“Locking people up is not accounting for the decline in crime.”

Of course it is.


71 posted on 05/15/2007 10:41:31 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc

I know you are but what am I??? This sounds about like the level of argument that this has devolved to.


72 posted on 05/15/2007 11:40:39 PM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

I’ve been waiting for you to make an argument that supports your point.

Still waiting.


73 posted on 05/16/2007 12:26:40 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc

Well whatever you do don’t look at the DOJ graphs above and make any interpretations of them. I guess that would tend to support my argument that crime rates are dropping and the amount of money going into the prison industries is rising by leaps and bounds. But don’t look at the graphs. Or believe the data, it comes from the government.


74 posted on 05/16/2007 8:26:37 AM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

“Well whatever you do don’t look at the DOJ graphs above and make any interpretations of them. I guess that would tend to support my argument that crime rates are dropping”

Oh, I looked at them. Yes, crime rates are dropping, and that is because more money is being spent on incarceration. Those facts don’t support your tendentious interpretation thereof.


75 posted on 05/16/2007 8:47:46 AM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: dsc

Me thinks you are putting the cart before the horse, unless you think that people are put in jail before they are charged and convicted in a court of law. Minority Report was just a bad Tom Cruise film, not reality.


76 posted on 05/16/2007 8:59:31 AM PDT by rednesss
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To: rednesss

“Me thinks you are putting the cart before the horse, unless you think that people are put in jail before they are charged and convicted in a court of law.”

Crimes don’t come one to a perp. Most people never commit a violent crime. A small number — mainly young black and hispanic men — have a high CPB (crimes per barbarian) rate. Putting one of those savages in jail and keeping him there has an effect on the crime rate that is greater than preventing one crime.

“Minority Report was just a bad Tom Cruise film, not reality.”

Wouldn’t know. Didn’t see it. However, there is no such thing as “just a film.” They become part of the zeitgeist.


77 posted on 05/16/2007 9:51:06 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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