RON PAUL, not Mitt Romney, won the first GOP Debate

Renew America ^ | May 8, 2007 | Chuck Baldwin

[FreeReign]

Full story on the Iraqi Parliament voting to require a timetable.

From your link: In the meantime, Iraqi MP Baha al-Aaraji, who supports radical anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, said he believed they had enough support to force a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq.

The story you link to is pretty weak. It mentions some al-Sadr supporter saying that he believes he has enough votes to force a timetable. And the remark is not even quoted.

Yer got something better?

[death2tyrants]

Supporting our democratic allies is not the same as claiming their land. geesh...

[LibertarianInExile]

“What’s the point of being president (outside of being commander-in-chief & judicial appointees) if you can’t get your agenda off the ground.”

What’s the point of electing presidents and legislators if they refuse to enact anything remotely resembling your agenda? Name one government program cut in the last twenty years by compassionate—or any other—conservatives?

I’d rather not waste my vote again, thanks. My vote will be cast for a constitutional conservative, whether the GOP nominates one or not. And an awful lot of people agree with me...but sadly, many of them are so depressed with the lies of the ‘right,’ they don’t even bother voting any more.

[BigTom85]

I suppose you'll continue advocating the endless Bankrupting of the Republic.

Keep up the good fight, Orthodox. There are plenty of folks on FR that see things the way you see them.

The Bush-bots and GOP loyalists on here are having a hard time accepting that the Republic is in serious trouble.

Our taxes are abusive, we are in debt, our governemnt spends way too much, we are trying to be the 'world police', out foreign policy is mainly aimed at nation building, the word 'banned' is in our newscasts almost daily... the list can go on and on. We all need to face it.. Bush is a failure. He had his chance to be one of the best presidents in history. However, sometime in 2005.. he dropped the ball.

This migh tbe a bitter pill for the Bush-bots and GOPers to swallow... but the Republic is in trouble. We need REAL conservatives running the show. Rudy, Romney, and McCain are all one in the same- professional politicians. This country is no longer of the people, for the people, and by the people-- it has morphed into of the elite, for the elite, and by the elite.

Whether you like it or not, this is how it is.

[KDD]

I guess the new generation boogie man is the "terrorist".

In my day it was the "communist".

So you don't think that Al Qaeda is in Iraq?

That's quite a leap there. How did you read THAT into my statement?

And for what it's worth, I think there are far more Al Qaeda in Pakistan then Iraq. Probably more in Saudi Arabia too for that matter. What countries do you think the Al Qaeda in Irag is coming from? Iran? Doubtfull, as Al Qaeda is a Sunni creation. Iran is Shia. The two different factions hate each other. And us.

[The_Eaglet]

Thanks for posting this, OP!

[BigTom85]

Supporting our democratic allies is not the same as claiming their land. geesh...

We run 2 of the 3 countries that I mentioned. Once we leave them, all hell will break loose. It makes no difference if we leave tomorrow or in 10 yrs from now- whats going on now in the mid-east is like childs play compared to what will probably happen in the future. I hate to say it.. but it's hard not to have a grim look on things.

We did all we could do for iraq... they had the elections and chose their system of governemnt... they need to take control. We have 130k plus/minus troops in Iraq along with a couple of hundred thousand contractors... It's time to start pulling out. Theres nothing else to do there. Our troops can't be the 'Police Department' forever in Iraq.

[The_Eaglet]

Look at it this way, When Paul drops out his supporters can still help out by supporting Dennis Kucinich.

I would much rather support another constitutional conservative like Ron Paul.

[The_Eaglet]

Funny thing about the new FR poll. Looks like more non members voting for RP than members....again.

It looks like Ron Paul can attract votes beyond Republican political activists. That is what it will take to win the presidency.

[FreeReign]

So you don't think that Al Qaeda is in Iraq?

That's quite a leap there. How did you read THAT into my statement?

So then you do think that Al Qaeda is in Iraq. But you also think that we should withdraw from Iraq now? How can you square those two beliefs?

And for what it's worth, I think there are far more Al Qaeda in Pakistan then Iraq. Probably more in Saudi Arabia too for that matter.

We give both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan lists of Al Qaeda to kill. Both countries oblige. That is a fact.

So what's your point?

[KDD]

From the article:

(The withdrawal would only take place if the Iraqi security forces became strong enough to ensure that an American departure would not create a security vacuum or make the sectarian conflict worse, the petition’s sponsors said.)

Who decides when this will be???

Why, the Shia Muslim dominated Iraqi government of course. Iraq has made Islamic Shria law the central tenet of their constitutional law. Think about for a moment. Was it really in our best interests to replace a brutal secular dictator with an equally brutal form of Islamic law? A government actually linked to the Iranian government. What a mess the neo-cons have created.

[The_Eaglet]

In a debate of 10 people, more than one can win. Each has different goals. Romeny’s goal was to take the lead of the top 3. He won that, he did well. Paul’s goal was to distinguish himself in order to try to build a following. He did that, he won

I appreciate that positive analysis of the accomplishments of the candidates.

[billbears]

144 members of Iraq's 275-seat parliament signed a draft law that would set a timetable for a U.S. withdrawal.

Not sure how you see a majority signing a draft law as 'weak' but hey whatever it takes you to continue believing.....

[BigTom85]

And for what it's worth, I think there are far more Al Qaeda in Pakistan then Iraq. Probably more in Saudi Arabia too for that matter. What countries do you think the Al Qaeda in Irag is coming from? Iran? Doubtfull, as Al Qaeda is a Sunni creation. Iran is Shia. The two different factions hate each other. And us.

Great post, exactly right. Sadly, it will not get the attention it deserves on here. You will probably get a handfull of "Oh, so you want to cut, run, and surrender!!?!?!" replies instead.

With that being said, Iran presents a whole other set of problems. Trying to be diplomatic with them sure as hell is not going to work. Going to the UN is useless. It's a tough situation... Sending in troops right now would not be a good idea either... we already have out hands full with Iraq. Plus, I belive the Iran Military would fight a lot harder than the Iraqi's did in 2003.

Ah, the whole world is going to hell... and most of the American public is too busy worrying about Paris Hilton going to jail and Rosies latest stupid comments.

[DLfromthedesert]

I used to be on Chuck Baldwin’s mailing list, but all he did was spew anti-Bush pap, practically calling him the anti-Christ, so I asked to be removed. Yeah, I’m really going to give any credence to what this whack job says.

[The_Eaglet]

I'm not going to deny that Romney proved himself the Best Debater amongst the "Big 3". I'm a former Debater myself; I know what I saw.

But that doesn't change the fact that Ron Paul came out of nowhere to dominate the Post-Debate metrics.

Mitt Romney had the style. Ron Paul had the substance.

[death2tyrants]

“We run 2 of the 3 countries that I mentioned. “

We do? This would directly undermind the soverignty of the respective goverments and would put the U.S. in violation of UNSCR 1546 and UNSCR 1386. Do you have evidence that the U.S. is in violation of said agreements? Or is this a false allegation against America on your part? Where is your evidence of wrongdoing? Perhaps you are taking lessons from the traitor Ron Paul, who lies about our foreign intervention by declaring it illegal. Would you like to debate the legallity of our multinational intervention abroad?

[The_Eaglet]

OP, thanks for your research.

The ruling government of Iraq is dominated by the psychopathic gang of murderers known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Islamic Al Dawa Party, who are the very same Islamic Terrorist Parties which bombed the US & French Embassies in Kuwait, and murdered 241 United States Marines in Beirut in 1983. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Bureau Chief of the Al Dawa Party's terrorist "Jihad Office" in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait! Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate calling for an immediate END to all Military and Financial support for the criminal Islamic Terrorist thug-regime of Iraq.

This bears repeating. We need a president who cuts off the supply lines to the terrorists while protecting the pockets of taxpayers.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

Mitt Romney had the style. Duncan Hunter had the substance.

Fixed.

Ron Paul is of great substance, to be sure, but his Libby answer was souring.

[BigTom85]

We do? This would directly undermind the soverignty of the respective goverments and would put the U.S. in violation of UNSCR 1546 and UNSCR 1386. Do you have evidence that the U.S. is in violation of said agreements? Or is this a false allegation against America on your part? Where is your evidence of wrongdoing? Perhaps you are taking lessons from the traitor Ron Paul, who lies about our foreign intervention by declaring it illegal. Would you like to debate the legallity of our multinational intervention abroad?

We went into Afghanistan with the intent of going after Bin LAden and his group. Totaly justified.

As far as Iraq goes, we went there with the intention of enforcing 'umpteen' (between 15-20) useless and bogus UN resolutions. The US has NO business enforcing UN resolutions. We should NOT be a member of the UN. We should NOT fund the UN... and we shure as hell should NOT enforce their bogus resolutions. The UN is not a body of government and has no real power- they only have the power that they invent.

As far as the US being in 'violation' of whatever resolutions you mentioned.... again, the UN is meaningless. The US has no business enforcing their resolutions. America protects America- America does not protect the UN.