RON PAUL, not Mitt Romney, won the first GOP Debate

Renew America ^ | May 8, 2007 | Chuck Baldwin

[TomB]

RK, did you have a chance to look at that video yet?

[carenot]

Thank you for the link.
He is right.

[TomB]

Thanks for posting this. I've always like Ron Paul.

Make sure you watch these videos:

Congressman Ron Paul warns of a contrived incident to provoke war with Iran, a "Gulf of Tonkin" type incident, January 11, 2006.

Student Scholars For 9/11 Truth meet presidential candidate Ron Paul. The Congressman promises to talk to Dennis Kucinich about setting up a new independent investigative body to look into 9/11.

Ron Paul gives an interview with 9-11 truther Alex Jones

[TomB]

He is right.

Do you mean you think (and agree with Ron Paul) that the collapse of the WTC buildings was part of some vast governmental conspiracy?

[death2tyrants]

“...not secular Iraq...at least Iraq was secular before we went in there.”

I’ve heard many Saddam apologists refer to him and his nation as secular. When Saddam refers to Jews as ‘dogs’, writes ‘Allahu Akbar’ on the flag, and fires missles at Israel, these are regarding as ‘secular’ acts by the Saddam apologists.

“He demanded we remove them...and within 18 months of 911 we had done as he demanded. A coddle?”

I don’t think most would consider the transfer of troops from SA to Afganistan to hunt and kill Al Qaeda, an act of ‘coddling’ Al Qaeda. We had troops in SA to defend against Saddam’s potential for aggression. The purpose of having them remain there would be? (The idea of a Ron Paul supporter criticizing the Bush Admin. for removing troops from foreign soil is in and of itself amusing).

“An Islamic Shia government in bed with Iran is what we have put in place.”

Yeah, a puppet with an opposing foreign policy.(Iraq’s gov wants us there, Iran doesn’t).

[KDD]

(Iraq’s gov wants us there, Iran doesn’t)

No they do not.

[McCloud-Strife]

Al-Qaeda in Iraq? Check
Terrorists being beaten back in Iraq instead of your living room? Check
Fighting Terrorists over there with the military instead of here with cops and fire fighters Double Check

Let me put it in terms you can understand.
Why did we invade Africa in 1943? Nazis were there.
Why did we invade France in 1944? Nazi's were there.
Why did we invade Iraq? Terrorists are there.
Why are we beligerent towards Iran and Syria? Oddly enough Terrorists are there.
Why are we not pounding the crap out of Pakistan and Saudi where a whole mess of terrorists are? Their govenments are to some degree are playing ball with us. Afghanistan did not, Iraq did not, Syria does not, Iran does not.

This is not a war on Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan or Iraq, it is a war on terror; terrorism, not individual citizens from a particular region.
We left Saudi Arabia after it became redundant for us to be there. Not because Bin Ladin made us go. We were there to make Iraq behave... which you may have noticed they are not much of a threat to the Sauds any more

Read what I write before you put words into my mouth.
Fight them there, not here, on the ground of our choosing not theirs. You cannot build a wall high enough to keep them out. Once they get here and set up shop, unless we get lucky it's game over. Over. OVER.

[TomB]

I have no problem with an independent investigation into 9-11?

Why should I?

Because its a farce and lends credence to the "truthers" claims?

Do you agree that there was a coverup?

Do you agree that the US is going to fake an attack on our forces in order to invade Iran?

[KDD]

I guess the new generation boogie man is the "terrorist".

In my day it was the "communist".

At least our boogie man had armies and air forces and 40,000 nukes pointed at us. The new generation boogie man that scares the pee out of the new masculine generation of men lives in a cave...

[383rr]

Ain’t that the truth.

[KDD]

Has the United States ever staged or reported a “fake attack” on our forces to stir up popular sentiment for a war on anyone?

Do you agree our government has a history of cover ups?

[Rodney King]

no.. im in bed, and dont want to disturb my wife with video, but I promise i will tomorrow morning.

[death2tyrants]

The link you provided simply redirects me to the start of the thread. I don’t see any opposition to the unanimously approved UNSCR 1546, which mandates the multinational force at the Iraqi Government’s request. Perhaps you posted a wrong link.

[KDD]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/11/world/middleeast/11cnd-iraq.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

BAGHDAD, May 11 — A majority of Iraq’s parliament has signed a petition for a legislative timetable governing a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq, several parliamentarians said today.

The petition mirrors the demands by some Democratic lawmakers in Washington for a timetable for the gradual withdrawal of American troops from Iraq

[FreeReign]

I guess the new generation boogie man is the "terrorist". In my day it was the "communist".

So you don't think that Al Qaeda is in Iraq?

At least our boogie man had armies and air forces and 40,000 nukes pointed at us. The new generation boogie man that scares the pee out of the new masculine generation of men lives in a cave...

Al Qaeda killed a few thousand of my neighbors. If they ever get access to WMD they would do much worse.

You call Al Qaeda a boogie man. I think you're not right.

[billbears]

Here's a link for you. Full story on the Iraqi Parliament voting to require a timetable. Guess that's not what the Bush administration wanted them to go back to work for.....

Iraqi Parliament Drafts Law Setting Timetable For U.S. Troops To Withdraw

Top this off with the news just up on Drudge of 100,000 barrels of oil missing a day and Brown revisiting British deployments, I'd say this whole thing about what US supporters want may be a moot point.

[Boxsford]

I realize that this is one important area I do not argee with Paul. Still, I like his voting record. I’ll look at the videos when I get a chance. Thanks for posting them.

[death2tyrants]

Did you read the article?

From the article:

[The withdrawal would only take place if the Iraqi security forces became strong enough to ensure that an American departure would not create a security vacuum or make the sectarian conflict worse, the petition’s sponsors said.]

This differs from the absurdity of some dems and people like Ron Paul in the sense that it takes conditions on the ground into account. How does this differ from Bush’s policy?

[BigTom85]

What territory are we claiming?

Afghanistan.. Iraq.. next is Iran.... Do you honestly think tha we will be leaving the mid-east any time soon? Hells bells NO we won't!

The major 'contractors' still need more time to milk out the government contracts.. and plus... we need to secure the massive amounts of oil (which is legitimate as our economy depends on it).

Ok, let me put on the flame suit.

[DugwayDuke]

“Now, you may disagree with him on the Effectiveness of Foreign Wars...”

Can you please explain why it’s better to fight a war on our territory rather than on our enemies territory.