Putin likens U.S. foreign policy to that of Third Reich

International Herald Tribune ^ | May 9, 2007 | Andrew E. Kramer

[asd145]

Another curious read

Poland Joined Hitler in Dismembering Czechoslovakia

[RusIvan]

To suggest that because some commie sympathizers were joining the Bolsheviks and infiltrating the local governments is a legitimate excuse for a 50 year Soviet occupation is ridiculous.==

Did I say something about legitimacy of “soviet occupation”? No. I just said that the “soviet occupation” was brought on Baltic states by actions of thier OWN communists not mythical “Russians”. You balts should look on yourself if you want to find the guilty of those 50 years of “occupation”. But you instead accquit yourselves and accuse “Russians”. It is only cause of all tensions which happens between us now.

[teldon30]

LOL

[vader69]

So if you invited me in your house and I raped your wife, you can only blame yourself. ;)

[RusIvan]

So if you invited me in your house and I raped your wife, you can only blame yourself. ;)==

No no no:). It is very inprecise metaphor.
Better this: you helped the criminal to take my house thinking that “smart” move will spare your house but the criminal got stronger and took your house too. Now you blame me instead of that criminal since he came to you from my house which he took first, conviniently ommiting that you helped him against me in first place.

[vader69]

I like my metaphor better. (just kidding) Your's is too complicated.

You and I both know that invited or not, Soviets would have taken Estonia anyway. The absence of the invitation did not stop them from invading Finland did it?

[Kozak]

“The best friends of Russia are her army, fleet and aviation”.

And it's worst enemy is it's endless incessant paranoia.

[RusIvan]

You and I both know that invited or not, Soviets would have taken Estonia anyway. The absence of the invitation did not stop them from invading Finland did it?==

You reread my mathaphor again pls. Did I say something about the “invitation” of any sort or kind? I just say that the commies came to you (Finland or Estonia) in 1940th just because you both (Finnland and Estonia) cooperated with them in 1920th. Rememeber Tartu “peace” treaty for example? Your both cooperation with commies in helping them to win power in Civil war aganst Russian nationalists (Whites). This actions payed you both back in 1940th when commeis decided to expand thier own empire - Soviet Union and include you into.

[RusIvan]

“The best friends of Russia are her army, fleet and aviation”.

And it’s worst enemy is it’s endless incessant paranoia.==

The worst enemies are those who speak that way as you did:). Because such speaking devoted just to mislead and disarm us:).
See NATO. Why and against whom it is expanding? Answer me honestly. I doubt that you can:).

[Kozak]

NATO is expanding to provide security and stability. Just like it did in the 50 years it held the bad old Soviet Union at bay. It’s a defensive alliance. Stable Democracies who don’t feel threatened don’t provoke war with their neighbors. Maybe if Russia ever gets to that point you idiots will finally realize that.

[vader69]

I am confused. How is this cooperation? During the Independence War 1918-1920 Estonia with some help from Royal Navy and others kicked Bolsheviks out of the country. The peace treaty was signed to define borders and confirm independence.

What are you saying? We should have continued fighting all the way to Moscow?

[RockinRight]

I miss Boris Yeltsin.

[RusIvan]

It’s a defensive alliance. :))

“Defensive allience”? Talk it to Serbs. It is because of NATO, Russia needs the good armed forces.

[RusIvan]

What are you saying? We should have continued fighting all the way to Moscow?==

Yeah. In 1920th your peace treaty with Bolshevicks fred thier hands and undermined the anti-Bolshevick army of general Yudenich. But for the estonian “blind” leaders in 1920 the most important was to “secure borders” with Bolshevicks. For this deal with Bolshevicks in 1920 you so did like, you payed in 1940. Then your own commies made another deal with Stalin which you didn’t like:).
So do not seek no guilty out of you. Look on yourselves first.

[vader69]

Reading this it looks like if Finns and Estonians would have kept pushing to the east, the Soviet Union, as we know it, would have not existed.

Oh, boy I wish.

Gotta go and work on my flux capacitor... ;)

[RusIvan]

Reading this it looks like if Finns and Estonians would have kept pushing to the east, the Soviet Union, as we know it, would have not existed.==

I rather say that if Finns, Estonians, Poles helped White armies instead of Bolshevicks then Soviet Union never exsisted since Reds lost Civil war.

[Kozak]

“Defensive allience”? Talk it to Serbs. It is because of NATO, Russia needs the good armed forces.

One intervention in 50 years, on their doorstep. I suggest YOU talk to ALL of Russia's neighbors who are clamoring to get INTO NATO as a way to protect themselves from the "interest" of Russia.

[vader69]

That's exactly what I meant. It's our fault that the evil empire was born.

Nice try. :)

[RusIvan]

“Defensive allience”? Talk it to Serbs. It is because of NATO, Russia needs the good armed forces.

One intervention in 50 years, on their doorstep. ==

Yeah one but on the weak country. So the conclusion: In order to prevent any “peaceful” bombing form NATO one should have the good armed forces.

[RusIvan]

That’s exactly what I meant. It’s our fault that the evil empire was born.==

Not only yours I did never told that. But your leadership definetely helped to create the “evil empire”. But you already atonned for that. I just tell only thing: You stop seek guilty out of yourselves. You look on yourseves first.