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They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today
Saundra Duffy

Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

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To: tantiboh; greyfoxx39

They are tested on appearance, interview knowledge, composure, personality....I’m not sure what else. My soldier has never talked much about it.

He was in South Carolina (I believe) to participate. They had a ball (gala) at which there were high ranking generals to announce the winners. I’ll look on the web and see if I can find anything and report back.


841 posted on 05/06/2007 1:01:17 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: tantiboh; colorcountry
How can Christians “deplore” statements that end up making us into better people? Wouldn’t you prefer a neighbor who doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, and is generous with his means?

I think it is unnecessary to explain to you my statement meant that Jesus did not command us to wear special undergarments, refrain from drinking wine, coffee, or tea, perform rituals in an exclusive temple, etc. etc. What you say he has asked you to do is not what he has asked me to do, and my objection is to your implying that.

If you go out and murder someone, breaking the commandment that “Thou shalt not kill,” are you going to get to heaven just because you professed your faith in Jesus? Do you not, as a Christian, have to refrain from adultery if you are to keep the faith? Theft? Lying? Isn’t obeying these laws “works?”

That's a pretty good stretch there...obedience to the commandments doesn't qualify in my definition of "works". That's where you run into the idea of having to "work" to obtain salvation when it was a gift made to us by Jesus on the cross.

Color, would you agree to this?

As to my neighbors, I prefer them to live their own lives in their own way and allow me the same freedom.

842 posted on 05/06/2007 1:04:39 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: tantiboh; greyfoxx39

This is what I found:

Twenty of the Army’s top warriors gathered to compete in the annual Department of the Army Noncommissioned Officer and Soldier of the Year Competition. In the end only one NCO and one Soldier will walk away with the ultimate bragging rights.

Two warriors from each of the 10 different major Army commands represented nearly one million of their fellow enlisted warriors, when they converged. The six-day competition tested their skill and knowledge against not only themselves and each other but against Army standards as well.

This is one reason I was so highly offended when I was told I denigrate the members of the armed services.


843 posted on 05/06/2007 1:07:49 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: tantiboh
When I was a missionary, my mission president gave us some advice that stuck with me. The fact that we have the restored Gospel, he said, does not make us better. But it does make us more blessed. It’s our responsibility, therefore, to share that with all who are interested.

I love it when you make my arguments for me. ;)

844 posted on 05/06/2007 1:11:19 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: tantiboh
I agree; it’s why I hold to my “backfire” thesis

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me just what event with Romney caused audience booing. Where was it, what state, locality, venue? When? I would like to see a link.

845 posted on 05/06/2007 1:16:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: greyfoxx39

So you are accusing me of being too grateful?

That’s a very strange thing to be offended over...


846 posted on 05/06/2007 1:17:31 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

Yeah, you are too grateful for being better than everyone else. Try again.


847 posted on 05/06/2007 1:19:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: greyfoxx39; tantiboh

Yep I agree.

One problem I had with Mormonism is the level you are judged by your performance (by your leaders) to obtain the “right” to certain blessings.

Only God is the judge, and only he knows someones intent and their heart.

Tanti, you asked about murder. Mankind may judge you of murder, but only God truly understands the nature of the “why” behind the act. Christ died to set us free of not only mankinds unrighteous judgement, but even the righteous judgement of God.

In God’s eyes we all sin - - every single one of us. Each single sin regardless of how small, makes us a sinner and God HATES ALL sin (even the little ones). But because of the atonement we are seen by God as perfect because the blood of Christ covers our sin....but only when we admit we sin, and put our faith only in the salvation He has offered.

When you place your rewards in your own hands because of your own works, you are effectively telling God that Christ’s atonement wasn’t good enough to save you. You slap away the gift and say, “I can do it myself.” Mormonism teaches that you cannot do it ALL yourself, but that Christ needed to die to help you out a little bit. (after all you can do)

Do you see why that is so extremely offensive to those of us who absolutely place our adoration in Him alone and see our works as dirty rags if we do them toward our own glory.

Christians are commanded to do two things only....Love God and Love our neighbor...in these two commands all the others commands are contained. When we love God and Love our neighbor, good deeds to our fellowman are a result of the Love.

You cannot do works to earn your glory and expect that God will view that the same as loving Him and doing kind deeds for HIS glory. There is a difference - - no matter how one spins it.


848 posted on 05/06/2007 1:20:01 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: greyfoxx39
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me just what event with Romney caused audience booing.

http://mojoey.blogspot.com/2007/02/you-do-not-know-lord.html
849 posted on 05/06/2007 1:20:12 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: greyfoxx39

Is there a reading comprehension problem here? Did you not see the “does not make us better” part?

If you are looking to be offended, then there’s nothing I can do to prevent that.


850 posted on 05/06/2007 1:21:22 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: colorcountry

“Mormonism teaches that you cannot do it ALL yourself, but that Christ needed to die to help you out a little bit.”

I cannot speak for others, but in my case, Christ needed to die to help me out a LOT.

The least I can do is show my gratitude by doing the best I can.

That is a far cry from “slapping away” the gift of the Atonement.


851 posted on 05/06/2007 1:23:16 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh; greyfoxx39

Not better, just more blessed.....LOL

Only a Mormon would fail to see the difference.

Were you guys told how chosen you were in the pre-existence because you were “valiant.” If that doesn’t instill false pride in a child, I don’t know what does.

I was sent to earth blonde, blue-eyed, to my especially god-fearing parents, born in the covenant and ‘blessed’ because I was ‘valiant’ in the pre-existence....I EARNED it....LOL


852 posted on 05/06/2007 1:26:00 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: tantiboh

So, where was this speech? Who was the audience? The link doesn’t tell me anything except that Mitt may have been in a Utah high school gym. If he were at a rally in NYC it would be impressive.


853 posted on 05/06/2007 1:28:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: colorcountry

Pounding head against the wall!! O B F U S C A T I O N!


854 posted on 05/06/2007 1:30:48 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: colorcountry

You were more “valian” than I...I wasn’t BIC.


855 posted on 05/06/2007 1:32:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Fred sez "I'm not interested in being the tallest midget in the room.." RUN FRED RUN!)
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To: tantiboh

That’s good you are getting pretty close to trusting Him alone.

Perhaps one day Mormonism will give up the sacred covenants where you bind God with promises.

“God, if I promise to abstain from tea and coffee, and live a moral life, pay 10% of my income, and attend all my Church meetings, and perform all my Church callings and learn the sacred tokens and name, and have as many children as possible, and pray twice a day (and floss)......will you promise me exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom? Was that a Yes? O.K. then we have a deal....right, God? You are okay with that aren’t you God?”

To me, this kind of covenant is simply weird. When I found freedom through faith alone, in Christ alone, by grace alone. It was like I had been set free from prison.

I now do good works for others because I love God and I love them. If it earns me nothing other that shear joy and the glory of God it is more than enough!


856 posted on 05/06/2007 1:36:18 PM PDT by colorcountry (“It is wrong to criticize the leaders of the church even if the criticism is true” ~Dallin H. Oaks)
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To: tantiboh

[Bush is a Methodist. Has he done anything in his public life to help the Methodist denomination? I don’t think so. He doesn’t inject Methodism into his public life, though he does pray for guidance in his actions.

That’s the kind of attitude I think Romney takes. It’s irrational to hear the word “Mormon” and automatically think that he’ll be any different than a “Methodist” with regards to his public life.]

I will give a counter example. I helped start a Spanish language TV station with a Mormon general partner. He immediately began shoving Mormon Public Service Announcements on the air, though it was detrimental to the image of the station (in a catholic community) and cost us money. I just don’t care to take the similar chance of promoting a presidential candidate who believes the rest of us are not “True” Christians or Jews. That also puts Romney in the position of having to negate his religion in order to run for presidency - I would think less of him if he became a hypocrite and did so.

Get ready for ten years of this debate.


857 posted on 05/06/2007 1:36:41 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: greyfoxx39
Obfuscation placemarker ... time for corn. I agree with you, Lady, arrogance and condescension aren't going to play well on the national stage in response to Rodham goon squad agitprop work amongst conservatives.
858 posted on 05/06/2007 1:38:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: colorcountry
I thought it was funny (sad) in the last general conference when the Prophet Gordon B. Hinkley stated that his wife was his most prized possession.

That is his eternal companion.

Do you show your husband all this stuff you malign his Church with?

...this would be as it says in the scripture unevenly yoked!

If you were neutural it would be a different situtation but it is obvious that is not the case and this constance harping and lashing out will only weaken the link more and also the fact that you broke the eternity vow which I bet he is not even aware that you two are no longer seal.

Just wondering....

My dear husband is my most prized possession and friend, and I heard the prophet speak so in others setting how dear his wife is to him it is you who seems to look for opening to nitpick.

If he makes it that long in 3 yrs he will be a 100 yrs old.

859 posted on 05/06/2007 1:49:40 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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To: Netizen; tantiboh

So, someone that couldn’t pay the tithes could collect food etc. BUT NOT be allowed to enter the temple, in essence, not be allowed to go to church?

No if they are keeping their covenants they can go to the temple!

So the money they would use for food they pay the tithe and they will recevie food(shop at) the Bishop storehouse.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1828301/posts?page=673#673


860 posted on 05/06/2007 1:58:06 PM PDT by restornu (Elevate Your Thoughts!)
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