They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today

Saundra Duffy

[MHGinTN]

Scripture showing the triune nature of God, God in three persons, blessed Trinity, courtesy of Freeper Diamond:

Who Raised Jesus From the Dead?
*GALATIANS 1:1 . . . God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) {cf. 1 Thess 1:10}
<>ROMANS 8:11 . . . the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, . . .
+JOHN 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

[Colofornian]

I kind of like "Hatched in Hell Universal Fellowship" myself, but you know how I like consonance. How about Happily Hellbound Heathen Hades Hopping Hardheads?

See! Leave it to those UK Mormons to have such a way with words! (For those of you who don't know, LDS prophet John Taylor, author of the "Hatched in Hell" description of the Christian church, was a Mormon convert from the UK who came west and almost died with JoeSmith).

Didn't I tell you that even a bland phrase of "Yeah, Yeah, Yeah" can become "magically $ delicious" if delivered by UK singers? (As for Taylor's line, I do concede his phrase is a bit more along the lines of "magically fictitious.")

[DelphiUser]

We read that Jesus presented Himself to John for Baptism. In the Mormonism scheme of Christianity, they believe in being baptised for the dead. If Jesus can die and be resurrected for all who will receive Him, why cannot His baptism also be for all who will receive Him?... Including the little ones who are so prone to exercise faith so easily.

WOW, I have never heard of Vicarious works used quite that way.

Very interesting. Is there actually a church that teaches this? I’d like to read more about their logic.

From my understanding (which means it’s flawed) Jesus’ atonement is a vicarious work for all mankind, but it does not take effect until we apply it in our lives, baptism is one of the steps we do to show we accept him as our savior, and thus we begin to apply his atonement in our lives.

If Jesus were baptized for all, how would they show they were accepting him?

[Truth-Miner]

***** You can answer A, B, C, D,

how about
E) Evangelical Christian
F) None of the above

I pick “E”

Aren’t labels fun!

[Netizen]

If Jesus were baptized for all, how would they show they were accepting him?

How about living their lives in the manner that Jesus taught.

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

[sittnick]

Who was the Unitarian president?

You are the second to ask me on this L-O-N-G thread. This was my answer at #148, the post includes a link to an online source.

Which presidents were Unitarian? Unitarian Presidents

John Adams
John Quincy Adams
Millard Fillmore
William Howard Taft


Interestingly, Eisenhower's parents were pretty serious Jehovah's Witnesses. I think it is safe to say that he stopped believing Russelism by the time he was Prez (for starters., they don't get involved in politics). He DID use a "New World Translation" Bible for the second inaugural, however.

[DelphiUser]

If Jesus were baptized for all, how would they show they were accepting him?

How about living their lives in the manner that Jesus taught.

I thought Jesus taught Baptism, wait, (sound of shorts happening in head, smoke pours from one ear) Circular logic, must shut down before overload… Drops into a stupor of thought.

Matthew 19
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

All of this I have done from my birth, yet still I am reviled on FR… Grin

[Colofornian]

how about E) Evangelical Christian F) None of the above I pick “E” Aren’t labels fun!

Come on, T-M. Stop being a bigot. (Just you never mind that the some folks are askin' you to vote come '08 for one who subscribes to the belief that your church title has "pleasant" titles like whore, harlot, abominable, and the devil. Just 'cause he doesn't like your church doesn't mean he won't like your vote.)

So, I suggest that Hugh Hewitt write another book: He can entitle it: "The Church of Whores of All the Earth Caucus for Mitt." Considering that this caucus can recruit from Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, etc...I think it has wide-open possibilities.

[DelphiUser]

So, I suggest that Hugh Hewitt write another book

I think your title is too long, how about "Handbaasket optional"?

[music_code]

How about living their lives in the manner that Jesus taught.

Be careful about how you use Matthew 19:16-18. This passage is not God telling us that the way one gets to heaven when he dies is by living a life of obedience to the 10 commandments.

No one can perfectly keep the 10 commandments, let alone live up to the sum of righteous thought and action that is set forth in rest of the Bible. That is why we need Jesus - because on our own, we fall hopelessly short of the standard of God's righteousness. No one gets to heaven by commandment-keeping.

Baptism is not a "step" to salvation. The act of getting baptized (regardless of the mode, sprinkling or full immersion) holds no merit in terms of receiving eternal life. It is an outward symbol of an inner transformation. That is, it is the way by which a believer in Christ, having already received salvation through faith in Christ, publicly professes and symbolizes that he has been born again through personal faith in Jesus.

[Truth-Miner]

Like I said labels...
Got hung up on them?
Not me. I know who I am. I had to learn how to handle school yard antics long ago. Being taller than everyone else through elementary school I not only grew very thick skin but grew to know myself.
I am NOT who you labeled me as. I know it, my Mother knows it, and God knows it.

I won’t vote for Mitt in ‘08, I don’t think he’s the right man for the job. I vote MY mind not someone else’s.

[Colofornian]

I am NOT who you labeled me as. I know it, my Mother knows it, and God knows it.

And the last ONE is all that matters!

As for me perhaps being "hung up" w/labels, I'm actually simply trying to "enlighten" folks that their church disposition toward us is not so nonchalant or neutral. The LDS church hasn't left any "middle ground" posture for the Christian church to assume.

[Netizen]

No one can perfectly keep the 10 commandments, let alone live up to the sum of righteous thought and action that is set forth in rest of the Bible.




Luke 1
⁵   THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
⁶   And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


Ezekiel 14:14
Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
Ezekiel 14:20
Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Deuteronomy 6:25
And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.


Deuteronomy 30
11 "For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.


Isaiah 51:7
Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law; fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings.


Ecclesiastes 12
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Proverbs 24
16 For a righteous man falleth seven times, and riseth up again, but the wicked stumble under adversity.

Looks like one can stumble and fall, get up and try again, while those too weak to try, quit.

I came across this verse while looking for something else.  It seems to go with the bride conversation that was going on earlier.

Isaiah 54:5
5 For thy Maker [is] thy husband, Jehovah of Hosts [is] His name, And thy Redeemer [is] the Holy One of Israel, `God of all the earth,' He is called.

[Netizen]

It is an outward symbol of an inner transformation. That is, it is the way by which a believer in Christ, having already received salvation through faith in Christ, publicly professes and symbolizes that he has been born again through personal faith in Jesus.

It's an outward symbol, man made to show other men. Do you really think that God doesn't know whose hearts, souls and minds belong to Him?

[Truth-Miner]

music_code said: No one gets to heaven by commandment-keeping.

I agree. But He will judge us according to how we act. I’ll borrow from Diamond’s earlier post #2,372:

*JEREMIAH 17:10 I the Lord search the heart, {I} try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, {and} according to the fruit of his doings.

+REVELATION 2:23 . . . I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

I believe Jesus has saved my soul but I am judged by Him, for good or evil, according to my heart and my actions.

Again so many labels: good, evil, judged, saved, actions, works, fruit of my doings.

[Diamond]

I refer to the one I linked to previously on this thread, the only version canonized by the church, not hearsay versions written by Colofornian (although his is amusing) or anyone else

Nothing hearsay about it:

Joseph Smith's Handwritten First Vision

Smith's first draft of his history. Only Jesus was mentioned as appearing.

History, 1832, Joseph Smith Letterbook 1, p.3 Handwriting of Joseph Smith.

marvilous even in the likeness of him who created him (them) and when I considered upon these things my heart exclaimed well hath thewise man said the (it is a) fool (that) saith in his heart there is no God my heart exclaimed all all these bear testimony and bespeak an omnipotant and omnipreasant power a being who makith Laws and decreeeth and bindeth all things in their bounds who filleth Eternity who was and is and will be from all Eternity to Eternity and when I considered all these things and that (that) being seeketh such to worship him as worship him in spirit and in truth therefore I cried unto the Lord for mercy for there was none else to whom I could go and to obtain mercy and the Lord heard my cry in the wilderness and while in (the) attitude of calling upon the Lord (in the 16th year of my age) a piller of fire light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me and I was filled with the spirit of god and the (Lord) opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph (my son) thy sins are forgiven thee. go thy (way) walk in my statutes and keep my commandments behold I am the Lord of glory I was crucifyed for the world that all those who believe on my name may have Eternal life (behold) the world lieth in sin and at this time and none doeth good no not one they have turned asside from the gospel and keep not (my) commandments they draw near to me with their lips while their hearts are far from me and mine anger is kindling against the inhabitants of the earth to visit them acording to th[e]ir ungodliness and to bring to pass that which (hath) been spoken by the mouth of the prophets and Ap[o]stles behold and lo I come quickly as it [is] written of me in the cloud (clothed) in the glory of my Father and my soul was filled with love and for many days I could reioice with great Joy and the Lord was with me but [I] could find none that would believe the hevnly vision nevertheless I pondered these things in my heart about that time my mother and but after many days

Cordially,

[caffe]

It is not bigotry to expose the truth of Mormons belief; they are definitely NOT christians. What disturbs me is other conservatives using the word bigotry to describe those of us who stand for Biblical truth. I guess relative thinking is OK in theology but not in politics ?

[Netizen]

All of this I have done from my birth, yet still I am reviled on FR… Grin

Decisions, decisions, who to listen to; Jesus or those that revile you. That's a tough call. ;)

[DanielLongo]

I’m sorry I am not being clear, but Cornelius was taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I’m referring to those who never received it in this life. Thank you for a clear answer though. That is what I am looking for.

[Netizen]

Cornelius was taught about Jesus AFTER God had already accepted him.