FastCoyote your whole premise is off kilter
and than you want the LDS to defend your strawman.
Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
Are the Mormon assemblies in your area all of a sudden preaching pro-Baptist sermons?
In John 10, Jesus is citing Ps. 82.
Who did LDS apostle James Talmage (author of Articles of Faith & other LDS books) say Ps. 82 was referencing, true gods?
No way! Talmage said that since Ps. 82:1-7 clearly references "unjust judges" as these gods, they couldn't be referring to true divine gods (unless you think gods are unjust).
Also, Jesus said they were gods already ("ye are gods"). Not "ye will become gods."
So unjust judges are already gods, eh? That's your theology?
FastCoyote your whole premise is off kilter
and than you want the LDS to defend your strawman.
I wonder how many are from FRepeat customers on these threads?
As a programmer, I’m a big fan of recursion. Until, of course, I run out of stack. I did that on a binary search algorithm once whenever I tried to locate a word before “aardvark” using randomly generated strings. Had a devil of a time trying to figure that out.
Which is why I don’t bother trying to think about how God’s got the universe set up. My personal stack’s too short. I have a tough enough time trying to master faith. :-)
Sheesh!! I apologized already, reading and posting at 2am in not healthy!
That is so funny it reminds me of a wind up doll and soon as someone says Mormon it ratttles off a litany of poison arrows!
“It seems every time we get close to getting a straight answer from an LDS member on this issue, they accuse the other poster of trying to lay a trap and then they refuse to answer.”
Untrue; I gave you the answer. It evidently wasn’t what you were looking for, so you kept asking the question.
I’ve learned through experience that this is typically some type of trap. You might be sincere; but, then, it’s tough to tell from this side of the monitor.
Yes, initially...that's what he was: a common man who at least uncommonly trusted God, taking Him at His Word, and ventured out on a journey. (Not all folks would have left their home territory to venture). God this turned this common man into someone not-so-common. (And what's wrong w/that?) Anyone that God established a special covenant with is no longer common; but is one set apart. (The term "holy" is not only linked with purity, but "set apart" for God's holy purposes...certainly Abram was)
Do you believe that he was a prophet, if so why or why not...
Yes, there is a verse about Abraham referred to as a prophet (I think it's in Gen. 20).
Certainly, the verse in the Pearl of Great Price that says God commanded Abraham to lie is very telling about the Mormon god and Joseph's Smith's view of this god.
...or just that he was a man who had billions of progeny because God blessed him? (Patriarch)
"Just a man..." No, anyone who is depicted as a "type" of the Father, as he was in Gen. 22, is more than just the one whose descendents would include Jesus. Also, I get the sense that a people group/spiritual patriarch almost seems like a "bland" role; is that the way you feel?
You forget to mention the most important progeny of Abraham are his spiritual progeny. It was through his descendent, Jesus, that all the world would be blessed. That goes way beyond "blood" to those who were covered by Jesus' blood.
I understand; you tell people the number, and they look at you differently. I don’t like that.
Although, in your case, DU, I suspect they already look at you differently, but for entirely other reasons. :-)
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Dear Diary, I, Lemuel, having been born of nagging parents, therefore, I have been harassed much of my life. Not only by my parents, but also by my younger brother Nephi, and my older brother Laman, with who I get along best. There, now maybe my parents will get off my back about keeping a record. Lem.
When Paul wrote to the Philippians, he labeled one group of folks "enemies of the cross."
Folks either oppose the cross; or they apply its supply of blood (yes, rich w/death, murder, and violently so) to themselves vicariously. (I guess I don't understand that you can look at a baptism pool in your temple as a place of vicarious salvation for the dead; but you can't see the cross--a pool of blood--on Calvary as a place of vicarious salvation for the spiritually dead...wanna explain that?)
In addition, Jesus tells us to haul around "murder implementation": "Deny yourself, [deny your Mormon social standing], pick up your cross and follow me."
It's your choice: The cross or your social commitments.
I won't bother you again if you just answer the three questions I posed:
I promise not to even comment on your answer.
Just give me a straight answer to the following questions:
1) But you do agree that Joseph Smith (the Prophet) taught that, don't you?
2) And you do agree that the LDS Church has not repudiated that teaching, don't you?
3) And you also agree that the things that the LDS Church has taught you are entirely consistent with that "teaching" of Joseph Smith, don't you?
If I don't respond or even comment on your answers, then you can's accuse me of laying a trap, can you? (you don't have to answer that one) :-)
can’s = can’t
Any Christian worth his salt must read James exegesically with all the referrences to Grace in the Bible."
But you can't leave out the rest Color, keeping the commandments and doing good works is absolutely biblical, and essential to what God has commanded us to do, please don't try to claim that it's not relevant?
2 Chr. 15: 7 Be ye strong . . . for your work shall be rewarded.
Ps. 28: 4 (Rev. 2: 23) Give them according to their deeds.
Ps. 62: 12 (Prov. 24: 12, 29; Rom. 2: 5-11) renderest to every man according to his work.
Eccl. 12: 14 God shall bring every work into judgment.
Jer. 17: 10 (Jer. 32: 19) to give every man according to his ways.
Micah 6: 8 do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly.
Matt. 5: 6 they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness.
Matt. 5: 16 that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father.
Matt. 7: 12 whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them.
Matt. 7: 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Matt. 13: 23 received seed into the good ground . . . beareth fruit.
Matt. 16: 27 (1 Cor. 3: 8; Alma 9: 27-28; D&C 138: 59) shall reward every man according to his works.
Matt. 25: 40 as ye have done it unto one of the least of these . . . ye have done it unto me.
John 3: 21 he that doeth truth cometh to the light.
John 8: 39 If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
John 9: 4 I must work the works of him that sent me.
Acts 10: 35 he that . . . worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Rom. 2: 13 doers of the law shall be justified.
2 Cor. 5: 10 receive . . . according to that he hath done.
Gal. 6: 4 let every man prove his own work.
Gal. 6: 7 whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Eph. 2: 10 created in Christ Jesus unto good works.
Eph. 5: 9 fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness.
2 Tim. 3: 17 perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Titus 3: 8 be careful to maintain good works.
Heb. 13: 21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will.
James 1: 22 be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only.
James 1: 27 Pure religion . . . is this, To visit the fatherless.
James 2: 22 by works was faith made perfect.
James 2: 26 faith without works is dead.
James 4: 17 him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not.
1 Pet. 1: 17 (Rev. 20: 12-13; 1 Ne. 15: 32; Mosiah 3: 24; Alma 33: 22; D&C 19: 3; D&C 76: 111; D&C 137: 9) Father . . . judgeth according to every man’s work.
1 Pet. 2: 12 your good works . . . glorify God.
2 Pet. 1: 5 add to your faith virtue.
1 Jn. 3: 18 let us not love in word . . . but in deed.
1 Jn. 3: 22 we receive of him, because we keep his commandments.
Rev. 22: 14 blessed are they that do his commandments.
Neither, is there a C answer? I always did better on multiple choice.
It uses many of the same terms, empties them of their full meaning, loads them up w/distinct meanings. The biggest threat is to sheep. As Acts 20 & Little Red Riding Hood shows, wolves devour but not all wolves show their teeth; some smile all dressed up in grandma clothing.
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