Posted on 05/04/2007 5:46:36 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
You misread James as we’ve pointed out many times previously.
Any Christian worth his salt must read James exegesically with all the referrences to Grace in the Bible.
So obviously, works are a result of Grace and not the other way round like Mormons believe. We do good for God - - God does not do good because of our deeds.
Poor seven, you will continue to try to earn God’s Grace, and you will continue to offend Christ’s sacrifice.
Did God exist before you existed?
Did God create you or were you and God both "from everlasting"?
Which came first, you or God?
Do you agree with the following statement:
"God, the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar to that through wich we are not passing. He became God - an exalted being - through obedience to the same eternal Gospel principles that we are given opportunity to obey today"
Is that statement heresy or orthodoxy?
Volume 22 p.304 sorry!
Do you agree with the following statement:
"God, the Eternal Father was once a mortal man who passed through a school of earth life similar to that through which we are now passing. He became God - an exalted being - through obedience to the same eternal Gospel principles that we are given opportunity to obey today"
Is that statement heresy or orthodoxy?
President Hinckley in a talk several years ago did counsel the young women to only wear one pair of earrings (I think it was in a Young Women's conference address.) The lady missionaries can only wear one pair of earrings when they are serving a mission (of course, a pair of conservative earrings.) And in the last priesthood meeting, President Hinckley did advise against tattoos. Wise counsel, but we can still be members in good standing if we have tattoos and multiple holes in our ears. (Disclaimer: I am one of those with multiple piercings in my ears. It was the fad in the late eighties. But now I am allergic to almost any type of metal in my ears, so I don't wear any earrings. My mom says it is direct retribution. LOL.) I agree with your comments about appearance and also that our leaders do give us wise counsel, and let us govern ourselves.
That is because those young men and young women are serving the Lord on missions. There has to be a structure in place and rules to live by. And yes, it is a very strict environment. I can even give you the generic schedule they follow and the rules. The missionaries are there to consecrate their lives to the Lord for 2 years and convert people to the gospel of Jesus Christ. I would use the word while on a mission they are being subject to a lot of authority. But it also teaches discipline and gives them the opportunity to focus on missionary work. And not only are their days regulated, they are told what is appropriate to wear and what is not. And the colors that are appropriate for suits, ties, and socks for the yount men, and suitable attire for the women. Oh and then there is the music (can pretty much only listen to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir). No TV and no Internet (I'm not sure about email nowadays.) They can't leave the mission boundaries (except with special permission.) The missionaries do have one day a week (a preparation day) where they do laundry, grocery shop, etc. Many of them will get together to play basketball or soccer or whatever.
And when they come home from their missions, there is an adjustment period because they don't have that companion around for 24 hours and their days aren't structured for them. Hopefully the principles and discipline they had for those 2 years will create habits that will carry them throughout their lives, to order their lives, and make correct decisions on what to do with their time and talents.
I can’t tell you how much I admire and appreciate LDS Missionaries. They are walking miracles.
Note to non Mormons: The LDS Missionaries will help you move if you need help.
To me it is pretty evident.
A twisting in the wind, with every breeze that blows, trying to keep the right face forward.
It reminds me of the "hamster dance" especially since my post on the practice of not allowing "unworthies" to attend a temple wedding.
However, I haven't seen anyone disprove the point I made, that "unpaid tithe"="unworthy"="no salvation". Have you, Color, MHG?
As to my veracity, "Sticks and stones......"
Oh, I agree there is a definite cultural thing. What I was objecting to was the statement was that some would do anything not to be a “Utah Mormon.” That’s where I was coming from, and yes I am sensitive about it.
“It was brass, and they came from Jerusalem. Check your bookmarks for better anti sources.”
You are wrong!! The ball that led Lehi was made of steel!
[And it came to pass that as my father arose in the morning, and went forth to the tent door, to his great astonishment he beheld upon the ground a round ball of curious workmanship; and it was of fine steel. And within the ball were two spindles; and the one pointed the way whither we should go into the wilderness.. . .
[16 And we did follow the directions of the ball, which led us in the more fertile parts of the wilderness.]
It says so right here in my Revised Standard Book of Mormon the ball was made of steel, which is the only true rendition of the story of how the Nephites in 750 BC built a ship in the fjords of Scandinavia and crossed the ocean to land in Acapulco.
A steel ball with two spindles in it is no less out of time than Nephi’s steel bow:
[18 And it came to pass that as I, Nephi, went forth to slay food, behold, I did break my bow, which was made of fine steel; and after I did break my bow, behold, my brethren were angry with me because of the loss of my bow, for we did obtain no food.]
All the great bows through antiquity were compound and made of bone and wood, but Nephi had something no one in the whole region had, a pretty special people in 600BC.
That's actually quite good. Wish I'd thought of it.
“They are a motley crew of liberals (with some conservatives). They are armed with damaging information and have said in no uncertain terms that they will use it in order to stop Mitt.”
Do you think that motley crew of liberals will vote for any of the other Republican candidates should Romney not win the nomination?
My point is, the machine will attack whoever the candidate is. If they attack Romney on religion, though, I believe it will backfire; criticism about marriage infidelity won’t.
Hamster dancing. Misdirection, perhaps?
My point is, the machine will attack whoever the candidate is. If they attack Romney on religion, though, I believe it will backfire; criticism about marriage infidelity won’t.
The liberals won't vote for any Republican, however the store of knowledge they make available will possibly be accessed by the democrat nominee. This information is backed extensively by historical and LDS church documents, and as such is difficult to refute.
I find it interesting that Mitt supporters depend so much on "backlash". That seems like a pretty slender thread to cling to.
;-)
I certainly did not say those individuals would EVER vote for a republican candidate. What I said is they are determined to stop Mitt in his tracks, they have information, and they will use it. - - This isn't your normal string of Democratic operatives. This is a determined group of ex-cultists. We have never seen this dynamic play out in the field of Presidential contenders.
My point is, the machine will attack whoever the candidate is. If they attack Romney on religion, though, I believe it will backfire; criticism about marriage infidelity won’t.
Again you are failing to grasp the immensity on the onslaught against Mormonism. It comes from many different sides and many different political, social, and religious groups. This is not a machine in any sense of the word. This is like many, many little army ants, each taking away a chunk of the cookie, one bite at a time. There are plenty of ants coming from all directions. The dead cow they are eating is going to have a hard time defending itself.
The Republican "machine" will be divided, since there are many Christians that won't support Romney, and the Mormon "machine" hasn't been all that successful in the past in defending itself. You do realize that only 1.5% of the American public is claimed to be Mormon. Of those there are many more children than in the general population. Of those still left, up to 2/3 may be inactive. The Mormon "machine" even with its high priced PR firm isn't going to be enough. MHGinTN and greyfoxx39 have both made excellent posts regarding how a Romney nomination will split the party....that's why you see so much support of Romney by the likes of Chrissy Mathews.
But not panderers. I'm not convinced Mitt's 'conversion' is sincere, whereas Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson have both proven their sincerity of belief on the issues.
Excellent point, Goody. If one were to get away from the Mitt threads on FR and sample a good portion of the other political threads, one will see over and over the doubt expressed (without any religious connotation) of Mitt's sincerity.
Our church has a committee that selects and purchases the Sunday School materials. Therefore, we Sunday School teachers are being told what to teach. Heaven forbid! :::Sarc tag in case you need it:::
The LDS Church sets rules (guidelines) on how many earrings you may wear, how short your shorts can be, what you may eat or drink, and the exact language of prayer (ye olde english, of course).
So what? Lots of churches do that. Try attending an Independent Baptist church some time. (Can't wait to see if you call that a cult too.) If you don't like the rules the church has, don't attend and leave them to their 'rules'.
When you say Mormon, you ARE in fact stating where someones posistion probably lies.
Likely, but not always, as Mitt's previous position on abortion proves.
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