They Shoot Mormons, Don't They? Religious Bigotry, alive and well today

Saundra Duffy

[George W. Bush]

My area was also heavily catholic, and I never heard of any KOC doings other than their charitable ones.

The local KOC here isn't just charitable. They're pretty exclusive and it extends to business deals. I worked in a local union shop for a number of years, heavily Catholic. A couple of times, I was actually asked how I got the job since I wasn't Catholic. Well, it was because I had computer skills rare in the area and the local management was sick of having computer problems. Without those skills, I know I would never have gotten that job. I don't know if they're still so exclusionary but one notices a certain tendency toward this among local Catholic educators too.

You know, things like this vary from place to place and change over time.

In many places in the South, if you aren't a Mason, you'd better forget starting a small business, especially a wholesaling operation. Or becoming a salesperson, no matter how good your product.

I don't think any of you have established that Mormons have any greater propensity toward favoritism than many other groups we might name.

[JRochelle]

“Costly” is the key word there.

It is possible. La Quinta (sp?) has done it.

[DelphiUser]

Which interpretation do you think the clinton/media crime machine will chose?

They are going to lie about whoever the R nominee is, so that really does not matter. This is why many good men who would do great things for their country will not run. They do not want the mud bath for themselves, and their family that the left puts out as a matter of course.

[colorcountry]

Look Delphi, whether you want to believe it or not, Mormonism is a big chink in Romney’s armor.

Republicans must look at this reality when determining if they want him for their nominee. Pretending it doesn’t exist is asking for disaster.

IF (and that’s a big if) Romney gains our party’s nomination, how are we going to combat this very big problem. Calling Dems “bigot” isn’t going to work. Demanding that all ideas be given the same level of respect isn’t going to work. Denying the reality of Mormonism’s past with blatent, scriptural racial discrimination, polygamy, blood atonement, massacre or even the practice of secrecy isn’t going to work.

Now how do you intend to combat Romney’s Mormon problem? By sticking your head in the sand?

[xzins]

Can I assume that the Gideons are wasting their time placing bibles in hotels and in the hands of soldiers....that no one can be saved by reading the words of salvation contained therein?

Can it be true that the church one attends or does not attend prior to Jesus confronting them matters more that Jesus’ own words?

[greyfoxx39]

They are going to lie about whoever the R nominee is, so that really does not matter.

LOL, then why did you bother to reply to my earlier post, No. 800?

[greyfoxx39]

Point taken.

[MHGinTN]

The Marriott family controls the chain. Spin is getting deep in here ... the Marriotts put the filth in because they saw huge profit potential. To spin it otherwise is ‘bold lying for the faith’ and gross hypocrisy. We will see if the mod decides to now ban me for stating the truth the way some have recently been banned for not sitting down and shutting up so the Mormonism Apologists can spread their message unopposed.

[colorcountry]

They won’t ban you for that. Will they?

[MHGinTN]

We’ll see. The Apologists have an inside line somehow.

[DelphiUser]

Look Delphi, whether you want to believe it or not, Mormonism is a big chink in Romney’s armor.

First, I am a Fred Thompson supporter. So don’t try to paint me with the “Mormons For Mitt” Brush. Second, there are a lot of chinks in Mitt’s armor, mostly his record, and recent (to me) conversion on important conservative values. Religion should not be, and is not his biggest problem. (not saying he does not have problems, are we clear?)

IF (and that’s a big if) Romney gains our party’s nomination, how are we going to combat this very big problem.

Well, for starters, our own party needs to unite behind whoever wins the nomination. So CC if (and I agree it’s a big if) Mitt gets the nod are you prepared to bury the hatchet until after the election? Are you prepared to become a "Mitt minion"? I am going to support whoever the R candidate is. I do not think we can afford another Clinton presidency. What are you willing to do?

Calling Dems “bigot” isn’t going to work. Demanding that all ideas be given the same level of respect isn’t going to work. Denying the reality of Mormonism’s past with blatent, scriptural racial discrimination, polygamy, blood atonement, massacre or even the practice of secrecy isn’t going to work.

That is what they said about Kennedy…

Now how do you intend to combat Romney’s Mormon problem?

I don’t, I will however combat both the idea that religion should be a test for any candidate, and I will also combat the misinformation campaign that has been going on for years on this very forum about me and my religion.

By sticking your head in the sand?

I never stick my head in the sand, the sand gets in my nostrils and makes me claustrophobic /humor

I think there are VALID points that will take Mitt out and put Fred Thompson in the republican Presidential slot, can we talk about the winning arguments against Mitt now, or are we going to spend all the time up until the election talking a bout a non-starter, his religion.

CC can you imagine how frustrating it is for me to have to be on these threads defending Mormonism, when I would much rather be looking into the serious issues with Mitts conservative credentials? Every Mitt thread becomes a “Faith Fest” with mud slinging on both sides and we NEVER seem to get to substantive issues about Mitt that I would like to see aired. IMHO all those attacking Mitts faith are doing him a favor because by loudly attacking him on illegitimate issues he skates on the ones that should take him down legitimately. Please, can we have even one thread where Mitt is discussed, and not Mormonism? I think that would meet your goal of no Mormons in the white house far faster than these attacks on Mormonism as a political weakness threads.

Hey, can all the Antis like call a meeting and decide that one thread can be an attack Mitt for being a liberal thread and no one bring up religion? Even just as an experiment? CC you know who most of the serious antis’ are (I know you don’t exactly have club Grin, but you see them on the threads, and they will know who you are) You could start a thread and SPECIFICALLY ask that no one bring up religion. It would be credible coming from you. If I started such a thread, I would quickly be painted as a shill (even though that would be inaccurate). If you can I will be very happy to spend my time on a thread like that instead of here. /Vent!

[Colofornian]

Like my fellow LDS Freepers, I don’t go around bashing others’ religion.

So you repent on behalf of Mormons for putting the following into Scripture?

"...the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt..." PoGP, Joseph Smith - History, v. 19

You don't think this statement is true? ALL my creeds are NOT an abomination, per your view? The professors of my faith are NOT corrupt?

[DelphiUser]

I thought I had... I’ll look for it, can you hold?

[colorcountry]

Well delphi, many of the thread titles about Romney specifically state they are about Mormonism....like this one for example.

I see plenty of other Romney threads where Mormonism isn’t the topic. They don’t get much action.

I’ll take Fred or I’ll take Hunter. But honestly Delphi, I can’t vote for Mitt. I just can’t. I am a very small vocal part of FR - I realize that, but knowing what I know, I cannot and will not vote for him under any circumstances. But then again I have only one vote. It isn’t all that important what I decide to do with it is it?

[DelphiUser]

We will see if the mod decides to now ban me for stating the truth the way some have recently been banned for not sitting down and shutting up so the Mormonism Apologists can spread their message unopposed.

Ban him!

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Actually, I like MHGinTN, so this Mormon votes for a stay of execution (grin)

Hey, MHGinTN, got any more popcorn?

[MEGoody]

That doesn't give you pause?

Nope. Christians dedicate (or should dedicate) all they have, all they are, to the service of the God who saved them. As a Christian, I've done that, so why should it scare me that a Mormon makes a similar pledge.

Mitt hasn't done any weird thing politically so far as I can tell a result of his Mormonism, so no reason to think he suddenly would start doing so if he were elected President.

this particular oath just might cause a voter or three to hesitate pulling the handle for Mitt.

That's up to them. I tend to think that is a stupid reason not to vote for him. Like I said before, his 'flip flops' are reason enough for me.

[DelphiUser]

But then again I have only one vote. It isn’t all that important what I decide to do with it is it?

I think you carry more weight than you think. As for the other Mitt threads getting any action, that’s because everyone is over here.

[colorcountry]

:-D

[MEGoody]

She posted the requisite Mormon Temple oath Mitt took and it contradicts the Oath of office

How so, specifically. (Lets see if YOU can answer the question.)

[MHGinTN]

Try pricking some other direction. You aren’t going to goad me today.