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More may repeat third grade (Read this. It's our future)
St Pete Times ^ | 05/03/2007 | JEFFREY S. SOLOCHEK

Posted on 05/03/2007 8:10:43 AM PDT by devane617

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To: CDHart

And teachers can’t make a child to want to learn. Society has more influence to the desire to learn for a child than teachers. With the media today, it’s all about now, I want it, I’m cool, look at me, get this and you’ll be happy. And we wonder why?


61 posted on 05/03/2007 9:37:51 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: John123

I think it helps seperate good teachers from the bad..

Good teachers become teachers because they love their subject and they love children. In any situation regarding education, a personal connection, some sort of recognition of the mutual humanity of the teacher and student, SOMETHING deeper and more profound than an easy paycheck has to be the motivator.

Bad teachers become teachers because they love a short work year and unionized job security. They often do not even see their students as human beings, rather as inconveniences, job tasks if you will.


62 posted on 05/03/2007 9:37:52 AM PDT by AntiFed
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To: HungarianGypsy

She sounds like a Teacher Ratchet. Was she a twin sister to Nurse Ratchet?


63 posted on 05/03/2007 9:38:53 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Redleg Duke
The advantage I had in the public school systems of the 1950s and 1960s was that they weren't afraid to categorize/group according to performance into the Advanced, Average and Slow-learner castes and then encourage us to "raise caste".

Some still aren't afraid of those categorizations. while the "tags" may be slightly different, the concept remains the same.

64 posted on 05/03/2007 9:40:22 AM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Don Corleone

And they’ll protect cucumbers from STD’s.


65 posted on 05/03/2007 9:40:29 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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To: devane617
That's despite having 95 percent of its students receiving free lunches and 89 percent having limited English abilities. ESL students or students that speak very little English. So much time the teachers have to spend in trying to communicate with them and try to teach them how to read English. Sad.
66 posted on 05/03/2007 9:43:19 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: AntiFed
I think it helps seperate good teachers from the bad..

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I blame them both.

**BOTH** the good and the bad are cooperating with NEA Marxists who are determined to destroy our nation, Constitution, freedom, economy, and everything we value.

67 posted on 05/03/2007 9:44:54 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: wintertime
Oops! I forgot. Sylvan is a private company. The Marxists running our schools can’t abide with **profit** ( gasp!)

Nice post. there are many obvious answers, how about allowing parents to take half of the per student cost which is upwards of $9,000 nationwide and send their child to the school of their choice? The biggest tragedy in my life was to see the decimation of the Catholic school system. The Teacher's Union is the problem. Home schoolers have been winning Spelling Bees, so the Teacher's Union solution is to exclude home schooled kids for the contest; and they tell us "it's all for the children".
68 posted on 05/03/2007 9:46:24 AM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: John123
Our kids will suffer because we teach to other kids in Spanish? Doesn't make much sense to me here.

Obviously you live in an area without massive illegal immigration...for the time being.

69 posted on 05/03/2007 9:46:32 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: JamesP81
Amazing how things have changed. I had some very crude reading ability when I went into kindergarten and was pretty good at it by the time I got out of kindergarten.

Same here. When I went to K (1968), kids knew their colors, letters and numbers, but that was about it. I think the standards have changed, but the methods don't meet the standards.

70 posted on 05/03/2007 9:47:43 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Nappy is the new N-word.)
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To: Triggerhippie
But, it is hugh!

or, is that "it be hugh!"?

71 posted on 05/03/2007 9:51:25 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Wave Britainnia...Britannia waives the rules!")
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To: wintertime; AntiFed
I think it helps seperate good teachers from the bad..

That's "separate" from the Latin, separo. (At least, that's how Mrs. Clausius explained it.)

72 posted on 05/03/2007 10:00:55 AM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: AZLiberty
it takes about 30 hours to teach a kid to read.

On this issue, John Taylor Gatto is so wrong it is scary. What he is doing in this statement is lumping in instruction with exposure. A child with hundreds of hours of exposure to text can probably be taught the basics in 100 hours of instruction. The problem is that some kids come to school not even knowing left to right or up down orientation. They do not know that these squiggles correspond to sounds and to meaning. They have no concept of word.

Once concept of word is attained, the child is literally hours away from reading basic text. The problem is getting them to concept of word. That is the time the parent spends holding a toddler reading the same book over and over, pointing to a page and asking them "What do you think is happening?" and reading nursery rhymes. When the ground work is laid down by parents, any good teacher has an easy job. When the job is not easy, even though the exposure is there, that is when we the reading specialists come in and try to decipher what is going on to prevent the attainment of literacy.

73 posted on 05/03/2007 10:07:50 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: shag377

One problem is the graded structure. Not all six year-olds are exactly six years old. Even those born on the same day are not equal in personal or physical development. But every child included in an age range that amounts to a fifth of their previous life is placed in the same class-room. The solution that the school system offers is to start the process first a year and then two years earlier. That still doesn’t solve the basic problem: apples and oranges are put together in the same box and it is left to the teachers somehow to sort them out. I don’t know what the solution is, and that is reeally because I don’t know how todefine the problem. Every school is a bit like a boot camp, but without the necessary brutality.


74 posted on 05/03/2007 10:12:25 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: devane617

Remember, with athletic & social involvements taking time and financial priority, many parents seem to see academic performance as only one goal in a range of qualities they want to see in their children.


75 posted on 05/03/2007 10:16:12 AM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Aquinasfan

My younger son could not learn phonetically. Some people just don’t take in information orally very well. They have to be sight readers. It is like some people are unmusical while others can memorize whole songs at one hearing. The problem with schools is that they are either or. They teach a class only one way.


76 posted on 05/03/2007 10:18:13 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Aquinasfan

Make that aurally. Nothing wrong with his taste! ;-)


77 posted on 05/03/2007 10:19:53 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: 80 Square Miles
Oops! The spell checker doesn’t catch the homonyms.

Thanks a bunch.

78 posted on 05/03/2007 10:27:58 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: devane617

“That’s despite having 95 percent of its students receiving free lunches ... “

Uh, okay.


79 posted on 05/03/2007 10:28:40 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: 80 Square Miles

” I’ve come to the conclusion my youth was wasted learning spelling and grammar.”

It used to be it was wasted shooting pool. This is a strange country.


80 posted on 05/03/2007 10:32:54 AM PDT by gcruse
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