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Assault charges dropped against lieutenant in Hamdania case [Shocker! Lt. Nathan Phan]
North County Times ^ | May 1, 2007 | Mark Walker

Posted on 05/01/2007 11:50:12 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: ThanhPhero

Agreed...See my post #38.


41 posted on 05/01/2007 2:19:38 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: RedRover
Yes, this is absolutely great news! Let us not forget, the hearing for 2nd Lt. Nathan Phan also focused on the practices of NCIS and prosecutors for the Marines.

The statements against 2nd Lt. Nathan Phan that THREE Marines said were not true; these same Marines indicated that NCIS agents had coerced and threatened and then ordered them to sign statements to the contrary; the prosecutors who browbeat them in an effort to convince them to stick with the NCIS-fabricated version of events; NCIS Special Agents who couldn’t be found to testify for the hearing.

And then there’s the Lt. Col Pigott who totally made a farce of the hearings. He’s up first with the first Haditha Marine in less than a week.

42 posted on 05/01/2007 2:22:35 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: PogySailor
Absolutely agreed, Pogy. I trust Lt. Gen. Mattis and the process. But the Marine's civilian police force, the NCIS, is a whole other story.
43 posted on 05/01/2007 2:40:31 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Girlene

Wonder what will happen to the Marine who was arrested for testifying that the NCIS had falsified his testimony?


44 posted on 05/01/2007 2:42:05 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

It is about time that someone finally got the message that we don’t want our soldiers being railroaded.


45 posted on 05/01/2007 2:53:47 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Brave men are not afraid to stand alone with the truth.)
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To: RedRover
Wonder what will happen to the Marine who was arrested for testifying that the NCIS had falsified his testimony?

Hopefully, any charges for this Marine will be DIS-MISSED.
46 posted on 05/01/2007 3:05:51 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: RedRover

For REAL!?!?!?!!

WOW! I was depressed when I got here!!!!


47 posted on 05/01/2007 3:10:28 PM PDT by pinkpanther111 (They were doing their jobs!!! Defend our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Who was arrested for that? Plowman/Pigg threatened Kruse with perjury charges for challenging the NCIS on his “statement”, but I don’t remember someone getting arrested.


48 posted on 05/01/2007 3:14:20 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Bush may own the war on terror, but the Dems want to own another 'Nam style loss)
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To: RedRover

What in the heck was a senior officer doing shouting during the hearing? Talk about conduct unbecoming!!!

This is terrific news for Lt. Phan, he shouldn’t even get the disciplinary letter.

NCIS has just hosed our Marines. I simply am shocked at what has been revealed in these cases.


49 posted on 05/01/2007 3:17:56 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: 4woodenboats; Girlene
You're right. I should have said, threatened with criminal charges. Still, I wonder if this will now just be dropped? (And will we never get to hear from NCIS agent Aaron Bode in court?)
50 posted on 05/01/2007 3:55:51 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RikaStrom
The worst thing was Lt Col Pigott (the IO) rejected three sworn statements by Marines that their testimony was falsified. Pigott said he believed the NCIS over Marines.

As mentioned above, JAGS are getting fed up the NCIS and reform is now inevitable.

51 posted on 05/01/2007 4:01:11 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: pinkpanther111

Really looking forward to reading the whole story tomorrow. This dismissal raises a HOST of questions about the NCIS and its competency.


52 posted on 05/01/2007 4:08:00 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RaceBannon

Wanted to be sure you saw this. Big defeat for NCIS.


53 posted on 05/01/2007 4:31:21 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Yes it does... I REALLY want to see Gen. Mattis reasons.. Could be very telling!


54 posted on 05/01/2007 4:46:28 PM PDT by pinkpanther111 (They were doing their jobs!!! Defend our Marines)
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To: jazusamo

Think of the battleship 10 years ago that had an explosion in one of the gun turrets. They claimed that one of the sailors was GAY and may have done it to himself.

The NCIS is corrupt to the core, and to The Corps.


55 posted on 05/01/2007 4:48:40 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: jazusamo

#2 Let’s remember the NCIS’ high points like, the battleship Iowa case -

“On 19 April 1989, an explosion ripped through the Number Two 16 inch gun turret, killing 47 crewmen. Sailors quickly flooded the #2 powder magazine, likely preventing catastrophic damage to the ship. At first, the NCIS investigators theorized that one of the dead crewman, Clayton Hartwig, had detonated an explosive device in a suicide attempt after the end of an alleged homosexual affair with another sailor. This theory was later abandoned and Hartwig cleared. The cause of the explosion, though never determined with certainty, is generally believed to have been static electricity igniting loose powder.

Testing at Dalhgren, Virginia Naval Surface Warfare Center of powder in the same lot was able to reproduce spontaneous combustion of the powder, which had been originally milled in the 1930’s and stored during a 1988 dry-docking of the Iowa in a barge at the Navy’s Yorktown, Virginia Naval Weapons Station. Gun powder gives off ether gas as it degrades; the ether is highly flammable, and could be ignited by a spark.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_%28BB-61%29#1985-2001

Abandoned only after outside pressure forced the reexamination of the particulars. In October 1991, after Congress forced the Navy to reopen the investigation and scientists at Sandia National Laboratories determined that an overram could have caused the blast, the chief of naval operations, Adm. Frank B. Kelso III, publicly apologized to the Hartwig family. He said there was no proof that Hartwig had deliberately detonated the powder bags.

Nifonging in 9...8...7


56 posted on 05/01/2007 4:50:46 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: RedRover
The worst thing was Lt Col Pigott (the IO) rejected three sworn statements by Marines that their testimony was falsified. Pigott said he believed the NCIS over Marines.

Good grief. I just can't imagine what these people are actually thinking. They are railroading our people for doing their jobs. I honestly don't know what some of the brass doing? The NCIS investigations are blatenly fouled. They need to drop all charges, charge the investigators and do a deep overhaul over that system. I hope the JAGS are on the side of justice and that the ...I can't even type what I want to call them... investigators get what is due them, and quickly.

I will continue to offer my support to our Marines and pray that they will come out on the other side.

57 posted on 05/01/2007 5:23:55 PM PDT by RikaStrom (The number one rule of the Kama Sutra is that you both be on the same page.../Exeter 051705)
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To: RikaStrom; freema; jazusamo; pinkpanther111; Girlene; Chickenhawk Warmonger; lilycicero; ...
I wrote a congratulatory note to one of the lieutenant's defense JAGs. He responded:

Lt Phan is pleased with the outcome. While he may be accepting non-judicial punishment it is still his position and absolute firm belief that any and all actions he took were solely in order to accomplish the missions that he was assigned and were for no other purpose. His actions saved Marines' lives and for that he is proud

58 posted on 05/01/2007 6:21:52 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Good for Lt. Phan, I agree with him completely. Thanks for filling us in.


59 posted on 05/01/2007 6:29:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: NavVet

This was all a hoax, This is good news god bless our men and women of the military!!


60 posted on 05/01/2007 6:33:32 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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