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Detention Without Physical Examination of -All- Vegetable Protein Products From China...
US Food and Drug Administration ^ | Tuesday May 1, 2007 | Milwaukee_Guy

Posted on 05/01/2007 9:52:09 AM PDT by Milwaukee_Guy

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To: mvpel; PAR35
Please visit An important letter from Hills Pet Nutrition regarding your pet. It is a letter to their customers in which they state: "Science Diet® Savory Cuts® chunk and gravy style canned cat food and Prescription Diet® m/d® Feline dry are the only two products affected." So by Hill's Science Diet terminology I am correct in claiming a recall of two products. You may parse it any way you wish, but I stand by my post.
141 posted on 05/01/2007 1:10:32 PM PDT by bcsco
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To: ApplegateRanch

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa003&articleID=2B10D1F6-E7F2-99DF-34DAAAC1622FE3CE

Per this Scientific American article, cyanuric acid can be caused by bacterial degradation of melamine, but may have been added separately to the foods which turned out to be toxic. I tend to think it must have been added separately, because all the reports I’ve read have said that addition of melamine has been widespread for around 15 years. If the only cyanuric acid in these pet foods was that which results from degradation of melamine, we’d have seen a big rash of kidney failure and death years ago. And the melamine addition would have stopped a long time ago, because there would have been a big rash of deaths of food animals in China, who’ve been getting melamine-laced feed for many years.

As awful as this has been for thousands of pet owners, and for pet food manufacturers who are taking a huge financial hit, I think we should recognize that there’s no evidence the Chinese protein processors had any idea that anything they were doing could cause serious harm to animals eating the food that the protein went into. They’d had years of experience both within China and with exports confirming that melamine didn’t cause any detectable health problems. And as the Scientific American article points out, Americans have been swallowing cyanuric acid in pool water for a long time, with no ill effects, so presumably the managers of any Chinese factories that started using it to clean equipment or for some other purpose that resulting in its getting into the protein, had no reason to think it was dangerous either.

It’s no doubt been a hard lesson for them too, with big financial hits to their business and who knows what sort of response from government officials. Your average Chinese industrial worker already has a standard of living that would qualify as well below the poverty line in the US, and many of the affected workers are certainly getting their standard of living knocked down even lower as a result of this, at least temporarily.


142 posted on 05/01/2007 1:12:07 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Thanks for that. Being retired, I have to get back to work, before the boss starts complaining, but I’ll read the liked article next break.

Note: It was easier when I only had a boss for 40 hours a week, instead of 168.LOL

“Tired, retired, still tired.”


143 posted on 05/01/2007 1:17:11 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: poobear

Could it be true? That’s just scary...


144 posted on 05/01/2007 1:30:36 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (<--- "Crazy Aunt" Conservative)
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To: Lexington Green

What in the ****ing world is anybody bringing ANY food products in here from China for in the first place?? The US produces every sort of grain VASTLY more efficiently than China does.


145 posted on 05/01/2007 1:42:40 PM PDT by jeddavis
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Once again Charlton Heston is ahead of his time.

146 posted on 05/01/2007 1:53:38 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: theFIRMbss

I remember a R. U. Sirius. He used to write for a magazine called “Reality Hackers.”


147 posted on 05/01/2007 1:56:34 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: Snoopers-868th
You might try this company:

http://www.bobsredmill.com/

They have a number of gluten-free products. I just emailed them asking about their various flours. If you like I will let you know their reply when I get one.

148 posted on 05/01/2007 1:56:43 PM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: ApplegateRanch
"Maybe because I never got over Truman not nuking them?"

Truman Fires MacArthur

"On April 11, 1951, President Harry Truman shocked the nation by firing General Douglas MacArthur from his post as Supreme Commander of U.N. forces in Korea. MacArthur had sought to expand the Korean War into China and Truman was forced to fire him for insubordination."

Imagine if this happened to GWB today.

149 posted on 05/01/2007 1:59:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: GovernmentShrinker

My understanding is that the problem with the recent pet deaths has to do with improper mixing of melamine in gluten — i.e., in concentrations much higher than they typically used in the past. That is to say, it may very well have been in the food suppy and in our pet food for some time, but not in such quantities so as to be noticeable and killing large numbers of cats and dogs. But even if you are right, also note that both melamine and cyanuric acid can have harmful effects (other than kidney failure and death).


150 posted on 05/01/2007 2:04:01 PM PDT by eri atlov
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To: null and void
"Many years back I had an undetected exhaust leak in my car. I was cranky, achy, and worn out, but I looked great! "

I'll check my exhaust this afternoon.

151 posted on 05/01/2007 2:04:45 PM PDT by blam
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To: -YYZ-
" It’s a shame, but as big as the oceans are they can’t provide fish for everyone who would like to have some."

It's just going to get worse. I read just recently that the popular Chilean Sea Bass available in restaurants now could be 85 years old. Yes, an 85 year old fish!

152 posted on 05/01/2007 2:09:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: US_MilitaryRules
I just emailed Orowheat for info on flour products used in their bread.

If/when you get a reply would you mind posting it to this thread? Thanks.

153 posted on 05/01/2007 2:11:04 PM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: Grannyx4

More foody goodness...


154 posted on 05/01/2007 2:14:27 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (<--- "Crazy Aunt" Conservative)
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To: Carry_Okie
I'm sure FR's gaggle of free trade enthusiasts will jump right on this and explain why we don't need to worry about it at all.

Lets hear it for NAFTA, CAFTA, NAU and all the rest of the NWO/Globalist wet dreams...

155 posted on 05/01/2007 2:19:37 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: CJ Wolf; All
Thanks to everyone who is researching this. I cannot even explain my suspicions this morning to the article, but somehow more questions regarding autism than answers prompted these comments of mine.

Although I have no special links to this cause, I have often wondered about food additives along with the possibility of vaccines being responsible for this phenomena. I waited till our daughter was much older and heavier to have her vaccinated while an infant. My doctor didn’t mind at all after her fever spiked to 105 degrees on her first round at 12 weeks.

No, I’m not crazy. Just a little cautious.

156 posted on 05/01/2007 2:21:06 PM PDT by poobear
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To: eri atlov
Thank you for your response eri. Please see #156. Melamine and other additives are quite frightening. Elevated ammonia has been a symptom that hasn’t been solved to this day.

Why not try to destroy a county from the inside out?

157 posted on 05/01/2007 2:25:33 PM PDT by poobear
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To: bcsco
So by Hill's Science Diet terminology

That's sort of like Clinton inventing his own terminology. Most folks are going to consider beef, fish, and chicken to be different products. Or are you saying the three all have the same ingredients? And that there is no difference between the kitten version and the old cat version?

158 posted on 05/01/2007 2:29:57 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: GovernmentShrinker
And the melamine addition would have stopped a long time ago, because there would have been a big rash of deaths of food animals in China, who’ve been getting melamine-laced feed for many years.

Ummm, I think they're slaughtered well before they can develop a chronic condition. A year, maybe two at most.

OTOH Fluffy has been eating contaminated pet food for 10-15 years...

159 posted on 05/01/2007 2:36:09 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: blam

Warning, you’ll lose your good looks...


160 posted on 05/01/2007 2:38:18 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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