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Civilization Depends On A Stable Climate
Knox News ^ | John Krist

Posted on 04/28/2007 3:01:17 PM PDT by blam

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"human beings had to wait for a period of climate stability before they could develop the technology to destabilize the climate.

Unbelieveable.

1 posted on 04/28/2007 3:01:20 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 04/28/2007 3:01:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

BTW, Only the Neanderthals were in France 50,000 years ago. The people who would become the Europeans were still over in the Indus Valley, etc.


3 posted on 04/28/2007 3:03:48 PM PDT by blam
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The article has it backwards. Agriculture stabilized the climate. The additional CO2, from burning forests to clear land, held off the ice age. In more recent times, SUV drivers have been doing their part to prevent an ice age.

Even the worst-case scenarios of the GW alarmists is far better for civilization than global cooling would be.

4 posted on 04/28/2007 3:08:19 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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Interesting that human's have caused the climate change is now a given, even in articles that detail how our climate changed frequently before we were even here. susie
5 posted on 04/28/2007 3:17:39 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: blam
Here’s a couple of references about how agriculture, and then civilization, has prevented an ice age.

http://www.nyas.org/ebrief/miniEB.asp?ebriefID=524

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Ruddiman2003.pdf

According to the author, Canada would have been covered with ice 5,000 years ago if it weren’t for anthropogenic emissions of CO2 and methane — from early agriculture.

6 posted on 04/28/2007 3:17:52 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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“There’s a grim symmetry to this theory - that human beings had to wait for a period of climate stability before they could develop the technology to destabilize the climate. And it offers a rather dismal prognosis for the future, which Kolbert expressed this way:”

“An organism that depends on stability, but produces instability, can only survive for so long.”

What a crock. There is no natural “stability” (mean average temperature) that the earth “reached” and can only UNNATURALLY fall back from.

There were any number of times, prior to man, when the earth was “stable and warm” for longer than it has most recently been warm. And there has been and will continue to be periods of much greater cold, and periods of greater “warming”, even if humanity immigrated off of earth today.

Oh how arrogant humanity is.


7 posted on 04/28/2007 3:18:29 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: blam

Well then, what the author said is true....he would blend in on a college campus, but not on Wall Street.... ;)
susie


8 posted on 04/28/2007 3:18:36 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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"...he could probably stroll across any college campus in the country without attracting attention"

...and he would make far more sense than the professors who "teach" there--and be far wiser than Elizabeth Kolbert and her disciples.

9 posted on 04/28/2007 3:19:14 PM PDT by Savage Beast (Marxism works only in the minds of sociopaths and morons. The Democrat Party is the Party of S&M.)
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Modern man has actually accelerated global warming by bringing about daylite savings time. This additional hour of daylite every day over the years has really speeded up global warming.

Hey, it makes as much sense as their theory.


10 posted on 04/28/2007 3:22:34 PM PDT by umgud ("When seconds count, the police are just 10 minutes away!")
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That's the span of time for which scientists have the most detailed record of global temperatures and atmospheric conditions, derived from the isotopic signature of frozen water and the chemistry of trapped air bubbles in ice cores pulled from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets.

That is debatable.
Unless new ice cores have been collected in the last ten years to cover the entire time span (400,000 years), many who should know argue that the cores were not handled carefully enough to analyze gas concentrations. I have seen documentaries of these cores being handled where it would be impossible to study the 'in situ' gases.

The original cores were obtained primarily to study plant spores and dust; not gases. The simple act of handling them unprotected at normal atmospheric pressure after being raised from several-thousand meter depths makes any trapped gas analysis invalid.

11 posted on 04/28/2007 3:26:48 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: blam

A total non sequitur.

First of all, CLIMATE does not change all that fast. And even when climate is changing from cold to warm, or from warm to cold, those highly industrious social hive creatures known as humans can adapt with amazing speed. There is an enormous amount of effort directed at discovering a need, and filling it. When this effort is well rewarded, the original need is filled quickly, and new needs arise. One would think that the new conditions created by climate change would generate considerable opportunities to find these additional needs.

There are three possible responses to any challenge.

Lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way.


12 posted on 04/28/2007 3:27:16 PM PDT by alloysteel (For those who cannot turn back time, there is always the option of re-writing history.)
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Photo of Elizabeth Kolbert, “climate journalist” and professional “global warming evangelist”:

“Elizabeth Kolbert...was a reporter for the New York Times for fourteen years before becoming a staff writer covering politics for the New Yorker. She and her husband, John Kleiner have three sons. They recently moved from New York to Williamstown, MA.”

http://www.bloomsbury.com/authors/microsite.asp?id=684&section=2

http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/04/10/roberts/

I don’t see any mention of science in her background...


13 posted on 04/28/2007 3:33:58 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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Oh how arrogant humanity is.

In all fairness, not all of humanity; just a minor percentage of the most vocal and the most delusional. Some call themselves scientists, but have the temperament to be SS officers.

Man intuitively knows he cannot control natural processes. Hence the human sacrifices to persuade the gods for them to fix things.

Today, the IPCC report is 20% science and 80% politics; the politics of socialism, mostly. The political arm of the global warming cabal makes all the press releases.
The actual unedited scientific portion no longer is made available unedited.

Care to guess why?

14 posted on 04/28/2007 3:34:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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Civilization (science, engineering, innovation in general, and even society and governments) makes it easier to survive the constant and inevitable changing of climate.

They get it backwards every time.


15 posted on 04/28/2007 3:49:19 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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he author is proof that some Neanderthals have survived to this day. The article fails to mention that cold is the norm, and that the last 10,000 years has been warmer than normal. If there really were to be antrhopogenic global warming is would offset the return to normal cold, and the temperature would stay constant!


16 posted on 04/28/2007 3:50:11 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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"some Neanderthals have survived to this day."

In reality, they do. I have seen as many as three in recent TV commercials for car insurance and they are articulate and witty. Are they merely 60's hippies in modern dress? They also have 60's hairdos and facial hair. Only neanderthals vote for RATs so that's the only way to test them for neanderthalism.

17 posted on 04/28/2007 4:04:44 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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Try the Eurasian Step, Indo-European emigration has been always, East to West or East to South or East to East.


18 posted on 04/28/2007 4:13:55 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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I am quite sure that a self-respecting Neanderthal would never vote for Democrats. Neanderthals weren’t that stupid! It takes years of brainwashing by public schools and MSM and decaying religion to be as stupid as modern folk.

There may have been a climate-change trigger to civilization. North Africa and the Near East used to be moister. As desert conditions set in, the human population was forced to move to the river floodplains, and there they found the idea conditions for sustained agriculture. That is what allowed the population density which made civilation possible. Then we got division of labor, writing, and other key inventions. From then on humans have flourished, and have not required constant climatic conditions. In fact, they have spead to areas with much less than ideal climates. They have traveled to new climates faster than climate has changed!

We have also survived warm periods, and cold periods (like the Little Ice Age). I think that the only thing we cannot survice is Liberalism and its relatives.


19 posted on 04/28/2007 4:19:25 PM PDT by docbnj
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What’s the Eurasian Step? Is that a dance?

Perhaps you mean the steppe.


20 posted on 04/28/2007 4:20:42 PM PDT by docbnj
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