Posted on 04/25/2007 12:52:41 PM PDT by TBP
Haditha PING
Well, according to the most recent lib talking points:
1. We're not in a war.
2. We've lost the war.
>>So this is what we do to our own troops. How are we supposed to win a war that way?<<
I doubt this will be successful. The government can’t admit that 18 hours of questioning without food or bathroom invalidates the information derived without adressing that we act on information gained by holding people under water to make them think they are drowning and that we interrogate people for months using pain.
Bumping that to the top - it's absolutely spot on.
Where's the proof that we do such things? Just wondering.
Boy is it ever. Bastards.
This a direct result of ambitious JAGs and wanna be cops in the NCIS. You may think the Duke Lacrosse prosecutor, Nifong and his investigators, were an aberration, but rest assured that there are many more Nifongs and corrupt investigators out there. These wastes of skin are not remotely concerned about justice or truth, but about another promotion, another scalp for the record and will lie, make up evidence, hide exculpatory evidence and continue with meritless prosecutions to avoid being exposed for the poxes on the justice system they are.
That's terrible. If this is allowed to stand the next thing we;ll hear is that they're squirting pop up their noses.
Johnny Sutton.
Patrick Fitzgerald.
Ronnie Earl.
Anyone want to add names?
No - Bastions. (LOL!)
I tell ya, I feel for our military members right now. They have to fight against the enemy over there AND over here. At least we can do our best to help them out over here.
>>we act on information gained by holding people under water to make them think they are drowning and that we interrogate people for months using pain
It doesn’t actually qualify as proof to my mind. But I have seen Guantonomo interrogation logs that say we use painful stress positions and forced enemas.
The report issued by the Central Intelligence Agency’s inspector general warned that 10 techniques approved by the administration including painful positions for extended time and water and feigned drowning could violate the UN convention against torture.
The government can’t now come back and say the Haditha interrogations are invalid because they lasted 18 hours and didn’t include food.
So, strategically, I believe this defense approach will fail.
But “proof” that we systematically torture? No, I have not seen that.
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@$#@ *%# Murtha
I just hesitate to believe any of that, without seeing it from a source I trust. The news media is NOT one of those sources I trust. (Think the Gitmo Koran flushing thing.) It’s not a slam on you, just a statement that I choose to believe the absolute best about our military unless presented with irrefutable proof to the contrary.
In the Canteen thread here for the last few Monday threads, we’ve been looking at the Geneva Conventions. I’ve been doing a lot of reading on that subject, and the thing that makes my blood boil is to realize that we have signed these documents about how we’ll treat our enemies, POWs, etc. and our enemy hasn’t. IOW, we treat them with kid gloves, and they behead our soldiers and hang their burned carcasses from bridges. So I guess I have a little trouble getting upset if one of our guys might sleep deprive one of their guys a little in order to get some information that might save an American life or two.
So I suppose I could see how this argument WOULD work. If our Marines were treated outside of Geneva convention rules for POWs, then they do have a leg to stand on. IMHO.
LOL. That’s right.
Fortunately, I think some of the uproar has put a dent in the JAGS BS in theatre.
Where’s the Abu Grave crowd when you need them? I guess torturing US servicemen is OK with them.
With a a rough hewn 4x4.
LOL! Are you saying they tortured the Col?
>>I just hesitate to believe any of that, without seeing it from a source I trust. The news media is NOT one of those sources I trust. (Think the Gitmo Koran flushing thing.) It’s not a slam on you, just a statement that I choose to believe the absolute best about our military unless presented with irrefutable proof to the contrary.<<
I didn’t take that as a slam - you point out a serious problem - our information comes through the media.
And I don’t want to believe we would use the techniques described in the GST program. But there is enough indication that the techniques were approved at least up through Donald Rumsfeld that I don’t think the government will accept 18 hour interrogations as overly harsh.
Here is a page that allegedly has links to documents with Rumsfeld’s signature authorizing pain and feigned drowning.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/
There is also the problem of the Attorney General’s statement that “The Office of Legal Counsel concludes that physical pain constituting torture “must be equivalent in intensity to the pain accompanying serious physical injury, such as organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death.” Indicating that lesser pain for coercion was legal.
Again, I take this all with a grain of salt but I hope the Haditha lawyers have some other defense planned.
none of these so called "men" should profit politically when they exit from the armed forces for screwing their fellow Marines.
I want a Nifong jihad against every NCIS wannabe jag-off that lists names and hometowns in order for the f'ing cockroach lawyers they are to be exposed.
Murtha, Pelosi, Chet Edwards, and Reid are expected to be quisling cockroaches that stab our troops in the back for political purposes. Naval and Marine officers are supposed to be made of better stuff.
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