Symposium to honor Lee, villain or 'the noblest ever' ?

Washington Times ^ | April 25, 2007 | Robert Stacy McCain

[TexConfederate1861]

Since I am NOT from South Carolina, I don’t take offense.
However, I do recall a few wonderful corrupt officials from the North, like for example: Boss Tweed and Tammany,
US Grant’s Administration, Warren G. Harding, and the list goes on.

And since I wasn’t alive then, they wouldn’t be MY elected reps.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

However, I do recall a few wonderful corrupt officials from the North, like for example: Boss Tweed and Tammany,

Well, corruption and violence are two different matters. I used to live in Chicago and remember some pretty heated moments during the Harold Washington Council Wars, but aldermen weren't attacking each other with clubs in the council chamber. And you did know who to call to get your sidewalk fixed.

I realized that the link I sent you for the Sumner "Crime Against Kansas" speech was an edited version. Here's a full version, but I'm still unable to find where Sumner mocks Butler's disability. I'm not doubting it's there, mind you. I just can't find it. Maybe you can, or you can read between the lines better to see where it's hidden. What was Butler's disability, anyway? The Crime Against Kansas

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Thanks for your post. We certainly have strong differences about the evensts of the Civil War era, but I believe that almost everybody here shares a love for the USA of today and the conservative values that are vital in the dangerous world of today.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

Name calling is the Democrats' way. Our way should be to attack ideas, not people.

And I don't know what was so out of line to begin with. The thread was originally about Robert E. Lee. Crooks like Ferguson and Gatewood were surely a factor why Lee gave up the fight and declined a policy of guerrilla warfare. The dedicated soldiers under Lee who put their lives on the line in honorable battle were betrayed by the criminal class which infested Confederate home front raiders and too much of the local rebel government.

The hardships brought by Sherman's one time march were minimal compared to the long lasting misery brought by reb rule and the criminals it attracted.

[Colonel Kangaroo]

First: Not all Plantation owners were lazy, cruel, etc. My ancestor and his sons worked the fields ALONGSIDE their slaves. Most were treated in a humane fashion, but yes, they were slaves.

I think there were a good number of slaveowners that were of the hard working type like your people. But the mathematics of slavery meant that a large percentage of the slaves lived on the large scale lowland plantations where life was very regimented and hard and owners were non producers growing rich on their slaves' sweat. This was the class that was the motivation behind secession. And this class, not the small slaveowners, that were the real target of Stevens' proposals.

[TexConfederate1861]

Exactly. :)

[SWEETSUNNYSOUTH]

We are still “smarting” from that whipping. I’m sorry to see those measures taken on any Americans. Lee, in contrast, gave orders not to destroy property while in Maryland and Pennsylvania.