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Virginia Tech pays respects to victims and gunman (Reuters Barf Alert!)
Reuters ^ | 4/21/07 | Andrea Hopkins

Posted on 04/21/2007 12:27:09 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: dc-zoo

Of course I mean the Cho tributes.


21 posted on 04/21/2007 1:02:08 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: wagglebee

Personally, since it appears the memorial is on the VT campus, and was placed there by students, those one the outside really shouldn’t be second guessing how these students are dealing with their grief.

We all grieve in different ways and so cope with grief in different manners, who is to say how one does either is wrong?

Some may (and obviously do) disagree, which is fine, I can’t agree with faulting others for how they cope with their grief.

I don’t necessarily agree with the young man quoted in the article, but I can’t and won’t say he is wrong.


22 posted on 04/21/2007 1:04:33 PM PDT by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Semper

Forgiveness is a Christian principle...

Yes, but if I remember correctly forgiveness is preceeded by remorse and recognition that a trespass has been committed, to be followed by the asking for forgiveness.


23 posted on 04/21/2007 1:10:04 PM PDT by WayneM (Democrats - The Party of Traitors.)
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To: Semper
Would you say that about Jesus also? Forgiveness is a Christian principle - they were just following a tried and true religious practice.

Just thinking here...Does this mean all is forgiven, and Cho will go to heaven? Or is he forgiven but still goes to hell?

24 posted on 04/21/2007 1:13:19 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: wagglebee

When we choose to forgive someone, we are not approving of what they did.
Forgiveness does not require me to begin to like someone or wish to have anything to do with them ever again.
Forgiveness usually benefits the person doing the forgiving much more than the one being forgiven.
That being said, the thought of honoring or paying tribute to this fellow as if he falls into the same category as his victims is disturbing to say the least.


25 posted on 04/21/2007 1:13:32 PM PDT by GraniteStateDad (Success is going from defeat to defeat without losing your enthusiasm - Churchill)
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To: Wormwood
Wrath gets a lot more play around here than Charity.

Well said.

Cho is dead. Really most sincerely dead. I don't mourn him. I won't miss him. I wish that he, like all murder-suicides, had reversed the order. But if forgiving him helps people in pain heal, I am in no position to second-guess.

The thing about hate is that it drains a lot of time, thought and energy from the hater, and none from the hated. Look at a useless waste of carbon-based matter like Fred Phelps -- he's positively energized by how much people hate him. If he'd been ignored, he'd probably be dead by now.

Wrath is a natural feeling. Revenge is a natural impulse. But as cathartic as it might be to rip out Cho's eyes and piss on his brain, what would that really help? Better to focus that energy on figuring out where he jumped the tracks, and how we can spot the next one before he creates more martyrs and mourners. I'm not talking about pushing the anger down, just redirecting it.

26 posted on 04/21/2007 1:15:22 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: GraniteStateDad

I have no issue with any victim forgiving him for what he did; however, the notion that he should be honored in a fashion similar to his victims is repulsive.


27 posted on 04/21/2007 1:16:00 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I agree.


28 posted on 04/21/2007 1:17:10 PM PDT by GraniteStateDad (Success is going from defeat to defeat without losing your enthusiasm - Churchill)
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To: ReignOfError
Look at a useless waste of carbon-based matter like Fred Phelps -- he's positively energized by how much people hate him. If he'd been ignored, he'd probably be dead by now.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Personally, I don't waste time hating anyone when I can laugh at them instead.

29 posted on 04/21/2007 1:17:47 PM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: hole_n_one

On the left...

http://photo.neofob.org/excursions/UpperFalls/dsc02262.html


30 posted on 04/21/2007 1:21:44 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: dragnet2
Cho will go to heaven? Or is he forgiven but still goes to hell?

It is not about Cho - his fate is in God's hands; it is about how we deal with the sickness and aberration that Cho displayed.

31 posted on 04/21/2007 1:22:41 PM PDT by Semper ( Conceived, motivated and guided by God.)
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To: Semper

Regarding forgiveness, I just have a question for you. Is it the place of one who was not wronged/sinned against to forgive? With Jesus, can you show me where He forgave others that had not committed an offense against Him, but rather against someone else?


32 posted on 04/21/2007 1:22:57 PM PDT by Catholic Iowan
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To: tessalu
Cho was actually first diagnosed as an autistic, when he first came to the USA, and his parents could not afford help for him. Cho has the symptoms of autism. Autistics do not like to look animals or people in the eyes, nor do they wish to be touched, and they may not speal at all in the early stages of their life

Are you kidding me? You just practically diagnosed 1.5 billion Asians as autistic. It's well known that in Asian culture, people avoid eye contact (eye contact perceived as threatening), and generally avoid physical contact except with loved ones. Asian parents don't generally hug their children.
33 posted on 04/21/2007 1:23:28 PM PDT by ribosomal soup
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To: Semper

Jesus never forgave anyone who was not truly sorry for their ill-doing.


34 posted on 04/21/2007 1:23:30 PM PDT by Hatter6
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To: wagglebee
CHO
35 posted on 04/21/2007 1:25:06 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: WayneM

See post #31.


36 posted on 04/21/2007 1:25:20 PM PDT by Semper ( Conceived, motivated and guided by God.)
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To: Hatter6

See post #31.


37 posted on 04/21/2007 1:26:15 PM PDT by Semper ( Conceived, motivated and guided by God.)
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To: Catholic Iowan

Forgiveness is only applicable to hurt done to us. Jesus Christ can forgive all sins which He has paid for with His blood and life and I believe He did so in forgiving sinners who came to Him, but then those were sins against His laws and commandments. The most a student like this Chris could do is forgive Cho for scaring him, or inconveniencing him. He can’t forgive him for the harm caused to others, IMHO.


38 posted on 04/21/2007 1:27:40 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: wagglebee

Ok, here’s a real barfer, from the lunatics at DailyKos

be forewarned before you open the link

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/20/221859/375


39 posted on 04/21/2007 1:28:11 PM PDT by jsh3180
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To: Semper
Does this mean all is forgiven, and Cho will go to heaven? Or is he forgiven but still goes to hell?

It is not about Cho - his fate is in God's hands; it is about how we deal with the sickness and aberration that Cho displayed.

Well I'm glad to know we can all forgive him and he still has a chance of going to hell.

40 posted on 04/21/2007 1:30:11 PM PDT by dragnet2
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