Posted on 04/20/2007 11:58:21 PM PDT by the scotsman
“You said — “Cooperate ... meaning breaking the confidence of anonymous ?”
It simply means that “text” can’t be read, without him supplying it. Headers can’t be seen without him supplying it. Basically “cooperate” means that nothing can be supplied unless he supplies it. That’s about the only meaning of “cooperate”
Exactly Gutless - He won’t break trust and supply you with what you want to identify anonymous. There have been other clues and ideas to identify this person to verify the story, yet you ( gutless ) have allready attacked the truthfullness of anyone who may come forward or be indentified as “A”
You (gutless) are exactly the kind of people why anonymous wants to remain anonymous.
Well, ole RS and me were writing a bit “over on the side” (in FReep mail) and this came up...
RS — “Now you must think I’m really gullible -— you expect me to believe that you are such a fool that you went though all of this and did NOT do a search to see if the person who started this was connected to (ferinstance) any Muslim support groups ?”
“
Star Traveler — Well, no I didn’t. I was only discussing from the theoretical standpoints, that’s all. And, really, in a university setting, they’re high on “diversity” anyway. So, the mindset is to pump up minorities or others who they view as oppressed or unfairly treated. And Muslims really fit into that category on university campuses. The way I see it, is that a liberal professor, with a “diversity” mindset (all very common) doesn’t need to be a Muslim in order to argue strongly on behalf of Muslims.
In other words, to me, it’s almost a *useless distinction* between “Muslim” and “University Professor”. It amounts to the same thing in my mind. So, what is there to prove?
So, if you understand that this is my thinking, then you’ll understand why there’s no interest or motive in doing that. However, it might be a good idea, since you mentioned it.”
And so, for whatever it’s worth, I put out that information.
I recall listening to Brigitte Gabriel (terrorized in Lebanon by Islamic terrorists as a child) and Walid Shoebat (former PLO terrorist), plus two other former Muslim terrorists (I think from Hamas or Hezbollah), and they go around to university campuses and speak about what the Muslims are really about and how steeped they are in Islamic terrorism. And they point out what Islamic terrorist are all about and what they intend to do.
They are very good in speaking all over (radio shows, TV interview, universities and churches). Last year I went to a church where Brigitte Gabriel spoke, in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I had heard her many times on the radio, but it was nice to meet her in person. She’s a real firecracker of a speaker.
What they all say is that going onto a university campus to speak about what they know personally (all are from the Middle East and none are Israeli) about Islam and terrorism — is absolutely dangerous and life threatening at times. They are attacked and villified and denounced, although they give their own personal experiences, including three of them, who were in those very terrorist organizations themselves. They say, of all the places they go to speak, the university campuses are the most dangersous.
They’ve been cancelled out many times, they’ve had to have police escorts and even up on the podium, they’ve had to have police there in large numbers to prevent bodily harm. This doesn’t happen to them in other venues. It does on university campuses, though.
So, I would say that it’s a combination of the rampant liberalism that one finds there, plus the diversity idealogy that the culture seems to breed, plus the anti-Bush hatred that flows out of that culture, plus the professors, who seem to revel in their extremely liberal ideas and their support of diversity.
And the *one group* who seems to be the greatest beneficiary of this are the Islamic groups.
It’s so bad, it seems to me, that indeed, there does not seem to be *any distinction* between Muslim idealogy and a professors idealogy, as exemplified by the principles of liberalism and diversity and support for the “supposed” oppressed in the world.
And of course, it’s Bush who is “oppressing” those poor Muslims over there in the Middle East, isn’t it? And his “WOT” is obviously an “evil ploy” to control them...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “You (gutless) are exactly the kind of people why anonymous wants to remain anonymous.”
Well, it’s also a methodology for leaking out information that is not true. And since we don’t have anything to show that it’s true — it fits perfectly the picture of a “anonymous leaker” (who is easily made up) — used as a “literary tool” to simply get a big paper, like the New York Times or Fox News to print it.
From that point in time, it gets indexed in Lexis/Nexis database and then the false story is used as “documentation” for future reference.
It’s quite an ingenious method for not being accountable to anything truthful or factual (like an anonymous leaker) and getting the info used as “proof” later on. This is the sort of thing that is used quite a bit by both political parties and other groups.
At this point in time, I’m pretty well assured that you will never hear another “peep” out of the professor, so as to not *risk* blowing up the story with further questions.
Since the story has served its purpose, they are going to let the “planted story” lie there in the Lexis/Nexis database for posterity and for “history” (of course, made up history).
We’ve almost come to “1984” — by accepting “anonymous” as “factual”. Hey, we can make up stories all day long by supplying one “anonymous student” after another!!
LOL
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well Gutless, it appears that you can be shamed into revealing what may be some of your predudicies and biases that drive your “logical reasoning”
According to “STAR TRAVELER” ANY and EVERY university professor shares that Muslem ideology, and by extension everything they say must be considered a lie as they are promoting Islam.
You could have saved a lot of time and trouble by proclaiming this at the start.
LOL, that’s pretty funny. I think you’ve been on the thread too long... :-)
Someone reading your comment about now will be laughing too... I gotta take a break. I’m laughing too hard.... LOL
perhaps you would expand on ...
“it’s almost a *useless distinction* between “Muslim” and “University Professor”. “
since you see at least SOME distinction between them, perhaps you could tell us what it is ?
You said — “since you see at least SOME distinction between them, perhaps you could tell us what it is ?”
Well, I settled down a bit, the laughing turned into hiccuping. I remembered that you can sometimes scare yourself out of hiccups. So, I set about imagining that I just got a job as a university professor. Well..., let me tell you, it worked in about 10 seconds. Scared the hell out of myself...
But, really, I think that may be one of the most difficult questions of the year. It may take some considerable thinking.
I mean, I really tried..., and I kept drawing a blank. But, then I realized I hadn’t eaten in a while and so, it might just be low blood sugar. So, have no fear, I’m sure that when I eat a bit and settle down, I just may be able to come up with one or two.
It’s like they’re on the tip of my tongue, but I just can’t get it out. Something is bound to come out, if I think long enough...
:-)
Regards,
Star Traveler
Well let’s just pick one then ...
How about Professor Liviu Librescu ?
In your mind, just what is that “useless distinction” between him and a Muslim ?
[...Well, I settled down a bit, the laughing turned
into hiccuping. I remembered that you can sometimes
scare yourself out of hiccups. So, I set about imagining
that I just got a job as a university professor. Well...,
let me tell you, it worked in about 10 seconds. Scared
the hell out of myself...]
You cannot know how wonderful it feels to laugh. This
is so dang funny.
Jo
“You cannot know how wonderful it feels to laugh”
... Yes I do, just what has tickled your fancy-bone ?
The thought of trying to scare yourself. Too funny.
You know, in talking about university professors, of course, it would have to be “in general”, because who could end up talking to them all. And as in all cases, with all groups, there are always what is called, “the exception that proves the rule.”
And I suppose that would be sort of like talking about a sub-group of the population called “crooks” in which you found an exception. What would you call him? Well, maybe you could use the phrase, a “moral crook.”
SO..., I suppose, in the same light, we may find such a beast as a “moral professor” too (even if some would consider that to be the prime example of an oxymorom). But, what can you say, there are always these little exceptions in life. It makes it exciting, at least.
In talking about university professors, we’re sort of talking about university culture, and professors certainly do “set the pace” for university culture. That seems obvious. They set the tone in classes, as advisors and mentors, as in giving grades (up or down, I mean, if your thinking is so screwed up that you can’t see the reasoning of the professor, what do you expect with your grade?), in all sorts of ways. They are the backbone of the university culture and help mold and form it.
So, the question is there “some distinction” between university professors and Muslims? Well, in answering that, realize that we’re talking about two groups, and not two individuals. So, this is a “group-type” of questions and, thus, answers.
First of all, diversity was mentioned. That’s a good place to start.
Diversity...
Although religion is not a “forte” for university professor, they do tolerate it. In fact, in a way, you could say they love god. Ummmm..., well, they love “all the gods,” I meant to say. They love the god of mother earth, they love the god of Muslims (but only generically speaking; not the one that belongs to Osama, of course), they love the Hindu gods and the many far eastern gods. They love the god of wicca. They truly believe in the diversity of religion, even if it isn’t their forte. However, I do have to report that out of all the various gods that they love, there is one that they don’t. Well, what do you expect? No one is perfect!
They’ve really got something “out for” this one god, though. They actually hate him. I don’t know what to say about it. Maybe they had some bad experience when they were kids. Whatever! It’s the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the one that Jesus Christ told us about. Yeah..., that one. I’m sorry to report that even though they love just about 100% of the other gods around — this is the one that they absolutely hate. But, like I said, no one is perfect!
So, let’s step over to the Muslim side of this equation. What about them. Well, there is where you get one of your contrasts, for sure. Not only do the Muslims *also* hate the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but they hate the Jewish people who claim Him. They say they’re going to kill every last one of those buggers, as soon as they get the chance. Oh boy!
But, wait a minute. It gets better. Those Muslims also are after these professors, too. They hate them, and when they get a chance, they will put a stop to their “loving all the gods” because to them, that’s sacrilege. Any good Muslim knows that there is only Allah and no one else. And so, these professors are going to be the first ones “on the chopping block” (in more ways than one..., unfortunately).
So, I guess you could say this is a difference. Well, hey..., haven’t you ever heard you never agree with everyone all the time? Same here.
The only problem with these professors, is that they think by being nice to the Muslims now, they will have a privileged position when the Muslims take over. I mean, they’ve really been their best supporters in this country. These Muslims will remember that when they take over, I’m sure. Yeah, right, privileged right at the front of the line to the chopping block. But, who ever said these professors were smart enough to figure that out...
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What’s another difference? Well, let’s talk about the “business” these professors are in — Education. These professors do enjoy presenting students with “all views” and are open to all types of discussions. They do certainly consider themselves “open-minded” all right. And for the most part, it is true.
The only areas where one notices some problems are in the areas of, well..., politics. They are certainly open to the liberal viewpoints. And since there are *so many* liberal viewpoints (I mean that’s why they use the “rainbow” dontcha know?) — there’s no end to discussion there. However, there is one small area that they just don’t like at all. That’s what some would call the conservative viewpoint.
The thing about that, though, is that the professors think these conservatives are all Nazis anyway and that they should be put out of business because they’re trying to oppress the world, like the Nazis tried to do back then.
And this “War on Terror” — come on, these professors know that Bush is just trying to oppress these Muslims and take away all their oil. That doesn’t even deserve an argument. I mean, it’s self-evident. Does anyone need an explanation?
But, also, with education, these professors consider “morality” a very important part of the students’ education. I mean, they don’t want these students to get all these weird things, like STDs, not at all. That’s why they’re so hip on the condoms and responsible sex and all that.
And talk about *diversity* — this is one area where it really comes into play. Certainly there is *diversity* when it comes to sexual mores and practices. Who could think of a better place for diversity than that? And certainly, one of the oppressed groups in our society are gays. How they ever managed to stay “gay” when they were so oppressed, I’ll never know. To me, I wouldn’t be gay, I would be sad, if I had been that oppressed. But, I think these professors are really trying to help these people to be *as gay as they can be*. What a worthy goal!
And you know, that comes back around again to two “problem areas” of the professors. I mean, they really *are* open-minded for the most part. It’s just that when it comes to these two areas, well... You see, they recognize that you should be “as gay as you can be”. What a nice slogan. But, they also realize that these conservatives and especially that one particular “God” that they don’t like have really made these gays — sad. I mean, why do you think they picked the name “gay”. They really had to keep reminding themselves to be “gay every day”. So, you can see why these professors are that way. It all fits. And if nothing else, they are “consistent” with their philosophies.
And talk about “family values”, these professors are *all for it*. Well, I shouldn’t say “it”. Nope, wrong word. Let’s say, these professors are for “all the family groups you can manage.” To the professors, the “family” is a wide-open affair — and I don’t use the word “affair” lightly here...
I mean, here is another areas where “diversity” really takes off. You’ve got men with men, women with women, two men wth one woman, two women with one man, one girl with two men, two girls with one woman — well..., I think you get it. No use beating this one to death. Well, maybe one more, here. I’ve even heard of a few sheep and goats, too (but actually, I hear that originated over in the Muslim countries; another one for “cultural diversity” — those professors sure know how to do it).
And you know, here’s another area where those conservatives and that “God” again, comes into play. I mean those guys are *so narrow minded!* What else can you say?
BUT, let’s step over onto the Muslim side of the fence. Where to start? Okay, family values... Well, they do talk it up quite a bit. The Muslims consider their women a most precious..., ummmm..., what to call it..., well, “possession” would be a polite way to say it. Some might refer to them as commodity. But, I don’t know, you don’t beat a commodity. And, sometimes it’s really necessary to do that. Mohammed was wise in that regard. He knew how to handle his women. And do I mean “women” (in the plural sense). My God, talk about 72 virgins..., he didn’t have to wait until he got into heaven. He had them right here. You gotta hand it to those Muslims, though. They can sure outbreed everyone else on this earth. And, I suspect that’s the reason why these professors support the Muslims so much. They know it’s a lost cause to try and outbreed them. If you can’t lick ‘em, you might as well join ‘em. And boy, do those professors got that down pat.
But, back to family values. You know how when you’ve got something really, really of value, you tend to maybe hide it and make sure no one finds it and takes it away from you. Well, it’s obvious that these Musllim men *really* do find their women of great value. I mean, they’ve got them covered up from head to toe. You don’t think they want another man messing with them, do you? Of course not. I really don’t know how these Muslim men go about handling all these women. It’s just mind-boggling. I mean, would that work in America? I doubt it. But, you know..., I guess that’s why beating came into existence. Sometimes you just have to “set them straight,” for their own good. And especially “cover them up” because their “wiles” are just too much for a good Muslim man to handle. And from what I hear, the Muslim women really appreciate being cared for so well. Don’t think a single thought about Stockholm Syndrome. It doesn’t apply here. Not in Muslim countries.
Boys are an important part of the extended family, too, in Muslim countries. I mean, all the men bathe together and teach the youngsters about things when they grow up. What can I say, other than it’s a close relationship. I think the professors might be able to educate you more about these things.
Sheep and goats are sometimes part of the family, too. But, usually only when the family isn’t around. On those long extended trips and so on through the desert. Sometimes it does get lonely.
Muslims, you see, believe in diversity, too — but in a little bit different way than the professors.
And talk about kids and family. i mean aren’t kids so cute at times. Mohammed thought so, too. A’isha was one of his favorite. I mean, he married her at 9 years old. Talk about May-December — I think we have to revise that to January-December. After that, we’re in trouble, because we’ve run out of months... Don’t worry though..., I know that people talk about things “sliding down the slippery slope”, but believe me, they’re down there already...
Unless people think this is some kind of “modern” relationship”, invented in our last few decandent decades (as those wicked conservatives like to parrot), we have ample evidence that this is a very well established and long-standing tradition with Muslims. They are no “Johnny-come-lately’s” thank you.
And what about Muslims and education? Let me tell you, these Arabs are no slouches. Hey, who else do you think it was that invented the “zero”. Of course, Arabs. And in all these centuries they haven’t forgotten it. I mean, consider this — zero productivity, zero growth, zero freedoms, zero democracy, zero women’s lib, zero Jews, zero Christians, zero education for women, zero peace, zero prosperity, and on it goes. When these guys get going on an invention, they just don’t quit. You gotta give it to them for persistence. And these professors are in awe of their mathematical prowess. They’ve got the whole world beat in that category. They’re at the top of their game.
Now we come to a sort of sensitive topic. Well, it was those conservatives that made it that way. They got on their “high horse” and actually had the gall to blame the Muslims for those buildings falling down. Any good Muslim knows that it was the Jews who did that. I mean, don’t those conservatives know how many Jews didn’t show up for work that morning. Besides that, Bush was in on it, too. You know, if you look at those videos, you can see the demolition charges that Bush had set to bring the buildings down. That’s so he could take over the Arabs’ oil with his grand plan. The professors know the real story here. They make sure their students know the scoop on Bush, the Nazi!
Talk about Nazis. You’ve never seen worse Nazis than the Jews. Oh... get off of it. It’s not an oxymoron, you moron! Any self-respecting Muslim knows that the Jews faked it. There was never a Holocaust. I mean President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, of Iran had that conference just recently. They had scholars from all over the world who proved it was all a fake. This was a serious conference. Ahmadinejad wasn’t there for the conference, or we would have seen that same “green glow” that he had at the United Nations, when all the world’s leaders were “transfixed” by his speech. They didn’t even blink an eyelid for half-an-hour. I mean, what does that tell you? It’s a sure thing that the Mahdi is coming from Iran.
Jews are the real Nazis in the world. They say “terrorist”, while it’s the Jews who are the terrorists. Face it! The terrorists aren’t in the Palestinian Authoriy areas. Not at all. I mean, these guys love their kids, over there. You haven’t seen a more loving bunch in your life. Even though those Nazi Jews are their enemies, do you know that the Palestinians love their kids so much over there, they show them off to the Jews, even. Yeah, that’s right! You wouldn’t think so. They’re so proud of their kids.
I mean, when they go out to fight, the first thing they want to do is show off their kids. Those “so-called” terrorist (we all know they aren’t) take their kids and parade them in front of themselves, so the Jews get a good look at those cute youngsters. At least the Jews don’t shoot the terrorists’ kids. Thank goodness for that.
But, there might be some wee problems in some areas. I wouldn’t call it terrorism, though. I mean, the Taliban is just trying to get their country back again. Why did they ever have it taken away in the first place. So, Osama’s got a bad name with Bush; that’s not the end of the world. And Iraq, well, what do you expect, if you try and invade a country and take their oil?
And, you know, we’ve all got our “problem guys”. Over here in the U.S., we’ve got our own home-grown terrorists. Don’t worry, we’ll get rid of him in the next election. And so what if Osama gets a bit too close to the edge. It’s not like we didn’t provoke him in the first place. They’ve got their problems and we’ve got ours. So, why can’t we just all get along. Hmmm..., I’ve misplace my “cumbayah” link... ah, here it is... http://songsforteaching.com/s/sburton/kumbaya.mp3
Well, for now, that’s about all I can outline for a comparison of the difference between the university professors and Muslims. I’ll certainly be thinking more along these lines and see what I can come up with.
Regards,
Star Traveler
So lets see... Just what are your feelings regarding Professor Liviu Librescu ?
“Jews are the real Nazis in the world.”
Just in case anyone missed it ...
there are always those exceptions that prove the rule...
You said — “Jews are the real Nazis in the world.”
Yep, that’s what they say over in the Palestinian Authority, along with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Iran). You’ll have to ask them why... though. I can’t help you; not my idea...
[...The only problem with these professors, is that they think by being nice to the
Muslims now, they will have a privileged position when the Muslims take over...]
Reminds me of that 80’s series “V”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(TV_series)
Loved the zeros. Excellent!
Irony Ping to youngjim.
? So you lied in 692 ?
huh...? don’t get it...
Simple yes/no question
do YOU believe
” Jews are the real Nazis in the world”
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