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Oxford atheist [Richard Dawkins] ridiculed by Anglican theologian during debate
virtueonline ^ | April 12, 2007 | ENI

Posted on 04/12/2007 1:27:09 PM PDT by freedomdefender

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To: elcid1970

I do not have any problems in that department. Not a cent.


61 posted on 04/12/2007 6:30:52 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
Omar hangs out with the DeadHeads . . .


62 posted on 04/12/2007 6:36:49 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: JeeperFreeper

“Anyone ever seen or experienced a perpetual motion machine?”

Sure.
The earth around the sun.
The sun around the Milky Way.
The atoms in their perpetual cycles and bouncing off each other to and fro.


63 posted on 04/12/2007 6:38:41 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: freedomdefender

Being ridiculed by an Anglican is pretty much hitting rock bottom.


64 posted on 04/12/2007 6:40:33 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: freedomdefender

It is usually unwise to debate a reformed person, regardless if it is theological reform, or political. They are usually very informed, and have thought about their positions in an honest and critical manner.

Was a Democrat...never again. Thank God I saw the light!


65 posted on 04/12/2007 6:44:11 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

So what?


66 posted on 04/12/2007 6:44:58 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

67 posted on 04/12/2007 6:53:13 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: ClearCase_guy
And that's what's wrong with atheism today. It's not about lack of faith. It's about hatred of God.

"Today" doesn't enter into it. The large majority of atheists/agnostics simply lack faith. Some think believers are deluded or dumb, but most don't care. And only a militant few try to win others over to atheism. Pretty much as it has always been.

Richard Dawkins is a brilliant biologist. But like so many scientists, he's so used to being the smartest person in the room that he can't imagine someone else knowing more than he does. That's why he somehow thought it was a good idea to debate theology with a theologian.

68 posted on 04/12/2007 6:54:22 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: GSlob
and having no voice.

For what it is worth, sometimes I would consider that a blessing and not a curse. ;0)

69 posted on 04/12/2007 6:57:27 PM PDT by Condor 63
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl
[.. In short, Dawkins is deaf, dumb, and blind to the "spirit" that matter needs in order to form any kind of intelligence, or to be any kind of life. ..]

Exactely.. Thats why I say the TOE(of DNA) is a direct assault on the (Christian) Holy Spirit.. and the (Judeo) Spirit of God.. What is spirit/Spirit (materially)?... Who knows.. maybe spirit is not material at all.. and as mysterious as Dark Energy/material.. At least material in the sense of what this human body can sense or even concieve of..

There was a time when men didn't know what "air" was (not too long ago).. it was mysterious but could not be denied.. Could be the spirit is just so.. and that soon all will know what "spirit" is.. YES, even Dawkins..

70 posted on 04/12/2007 7:07:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: betty boop

Thanks for the ping.

Intelligence always happens by accident.....@#$%^&


71 posted on 04/12/2007 7:10:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
How does a priest prove God exists?

It depends on the priest.

There is a story told of a priest in Old Russia, who was approached by a man who professed that he wished to believe in God, but couldn't--the intelligentsia in the 19th century was quite familiar with the refutations of the rationalistic proofs of God's existence. The priest did not present an argument, but gave him an icon of Christ, and told him to do 100 prostrations before the icon each day, and return in a year.

When the man returned after following the instructions, he was a believing Christian.

I tell the story because it is an error shared by Western Christians and atheists alike to fancy that theology is a synthetic science like mathematics, rather than a positive science like physics or biology. Noetic experience of God in prayer--even the wordless prayer of a prostration before an icon of Christ by one who doesn't yet believe--is the basis of the knowledge of God, not 'proofs' from 'necessary' hypotheses.

I am, however, charmed by the 'seventh proof' of the existence of God offered by the Devil during his visit to Bolshevik Moscow in Mikhail Bulgakov's novel The Master and Margurite.

Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down Death by death, and upon those in the tombs bestowing life!

72 posted on 04/12/2007 7:58:50 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: huldah1776
I am finding that evolutionist’s faith is in CHANCE.

It's not chance, although chance is an element.

73 posted on 04/12/2007 8:28:21 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: hosepipe

LOLOL! Well said, dear brother in Christ!


74 posted on 04/12/2007 11:22:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
This is precisely the point where Dawkins goes off the rails: Science and religion do not treat of the same questions at all....

In short, Dawkins is deaf, dumb, and blind to the "spirit" that matter needs in order to form any kind of intelligence, or to be any kind of life.

Precisely so. Thank you for your outstanding essay-post!
75 posted on 04/12/2007 11:24:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop

Well said.

Thanks.


76 posted on 04/13/2007 4:29:54 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: freedomdefender
"Far from being enriching, religion is stultifying, impoverishing and limiting," said Dawkins,

Yeah, aside from the rich heritage of music, art, philosophy, moral foundation, and freedom it's brought us, that's exactly what religion is.

77 posted on 04/13/2007 7:48:29 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: GSlob

You’re not a very deep thinker, are you? Or perhaps you’re just acting stupid to make a point?


78 posted on 04/13/2007 7:52:28 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: freedomdefender

Science once thought leaches were a great cure all.

Just as we look into the past and heckel their science, so future generations will view our science the same way.


79 posted on 04/13/2007 8:01:02 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Giuliani: A strict constructionist judge can come to either conclusion about Roe against Wade.)
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To: NeoCaveman
Just as we look into the past and heckel their science, so future generations will view our science the same way.

I sure hope so. That's how science is supposed to work -- one generation's finish line is the starting line for the next.

80 posted on 04/13/2007 9:57:59 AM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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