Posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
Grant was a slaveowner too.
What is the point?
The Confederacy did NOT steal anything, unlike Lincoln’s war criminals that invaded the South.
like i said, WHAT are you drinking these days???
must be FIREWATER!
free dixie,sw
they will TRY to call it something else, but it is TYRANNY! (check out my tag-line)
free dixie,sw
Castle Pinkney, Fort Moultrie, the Charleston Armory, revenue cutter William Aiken, Fort Johnson, Fort Pulaski, U.S. Arsenal at Mt. Vernon, Alabama, Fort Morgan, Fort Gaines, Fort Marion, the Arsenal at Apalachicola, Fort Johnston, Fort Caswell, the Arsenal and Barracks at Baton Rouge, For Caswell, Fort Jackson, Fort St. Phillips, Fort Barrancas, Fort McRea, the Pensacola Navy Yards, Fort Taylor, Fort Pike, the Navy steamer Dana, the Arsenal at Augusta, Fort Macomb, Oglethorpe Barracks, U.S. Mint and Customs House in New Orleans, the Arsenal at Little Rock, the Arsenal and Barracks at San Antonio, the Revenue Cutter Dodge, Ringgold Barracks, and dozens of other forts and arsenals and customs houses and mints. All seized without compensation by the rebel states. All stolen.
Someone should have told Jeff Davis that.
What is the point?
The point is that nobody denies Grant owned a slave because there is evidence to support that. But stand watie persists in claiming that is namesake was poor as dirt when he was, in fact, a fairly well-to-do, slave owning, plantation owner.
Did the South take posession of federal property which did not belong to them? Did the not do so without compensation? That is stealing in anybody's book.
Ft Sumpter was no more federal property than Yellowstone park is the property of the NPS. such "federal land" belongs SOLELY to the STATES/CITIZENS & is ONLY "administered" by the feds.
once SECESSION was a FACT, Ft Sumter was ENEMY PROPERTY in a FOREIGN country,. (fyi, that's what you DYs are BLINDED about. the CSA was NO LONGER the USA.)
the STATE of SC/the CSA was well within their RIGHTS as citizens to attempt to remove FOREIGN TROOPS from their country, after they had requested than the USA remove them.
fyi, your post to the contrary is SILLY & NONSENSE. nothing more & nothing less than BILGE, too.
free dixie,sw
Agreed. A change happened around 1900. Definitely in place by the time Wilson was in office.
Patton was also descended from AmRevWar General Mercer, who was sadly surrounded by redcoats and impaled from all directions at Princeton.
This was his mother’s side.
Just FYI for the often-forgotten part.
Interesting question, since in a letter to Watie from his wife, she says, "I will get me a house in Bellview so the children can go to school it (is) impossible for (me) to stay here I will get some one to stay and take care of our corn it will do to fatten our horses you must write every chance and direct it to Lanagin and let him mail it to Rusk Bellview, it looks like I cant live and not hear from you. You must write and tell me when it will be safe to come. I sent the bay horse the black was to poor to go. I will bring him. you can either send that back or keep him till I come. I can sell him for six hundred here..." ( June 8, 1863)
In another letter she writes, "I will watch and if I can I will buy that tobacco. I cant buy one thing with old money. You must send me some that will pass I told Oakes to trade on that he had and sell what he bought for new I have not sold my horses yet. I cant see how I can do without them unless I was at home and stay there." (June 12, 1864). Chronicles of Oklahoma, Volume 1, No. 1, January, 1921: SOME LETTERS OF GENERAL STAND WATIE.
do you HAVE a point, TROLL??
do you REALLY believe ANYONE here believes ANYTHING you post since (at least & maybe NOT before, either) you "shot yourself in the foot", TROLL???
fyi, you are a KNOWN deceiver, as well as a LITTLE TROLL, who evidently has NO LIFE. NOBODY (with the possible exception of the members of "THE STUPID CLUB" & they are so DUMB that they'll believe ANYTHING!) believes you any more.
that's WHY the vast majority of people on these threads will NOT post TO you; MOST will NOT even READ your deceptions/lies/foolishness. fyi, you have RUINED yourself on FR!
laughing AT you, TROLL.
free dixie,sw
Sure, the point is that clearly Mrs. Watie was back at home with a couple of horses, so any claim that he was too poor to afford one is obviously incorrect. Unless you're going to claim that the Chronicles of Oklahoma from 1921 is a lie.
NOBODY believes you anymore about ANYTHING, absent INDEPENDENT PROOF. after i've read "the Chronicles" for myself, and only then, will i comment on the correctness of what you SAY is in the book. (fyi, because something is IN a BOOK, does NOT make it FACTUAL. BOOKS are FILLED with MISinformation/outright fiction/ mistakes.)
you are RUINED on FR. ("heyworthLESS", you should take "the STUPID CLUB" members with you, as you head to DU. they LIKE trolls/liars/fools/useful idiots on DU.)
your credibility is G-O-N-E, GONE! TROLLS often ruin themselves, given "enough rope". (your rope was posting PRIVATE messages WITHOUT consent of the SENDER! laughing AT you for doing something THAT stupid/SELF-destructive.)
laughing AT you, TROLL.
free dixie,sw
Stand Watie: No evidence.
It's really quite simple.
I warned you that I'd do it if you persisted in threatening me.
You persisted.
That consitutes consent.
All property of the Confederate States of America.
Stolen property is still stolen.
YEP they DID.
Ft Sumpter was no more federal property than Yellowstone park is the property of the NPS. such "federal land" belongs SOLELY to the STATES/CITIZENS & is ONLY "administered" by the feds.
Then as such didn't it belong to ALL the states and ALL the citizens?
once SECESSION was a FACT, Ft Sumter was ENEMY PROPERTY in a FOREIGN country,. (fyi, that's what you DYs are BLINDED about. the CSA was NO LONGER the USA.)
So we're back to you trying to justify theft by claiming it was enemy proprety. And I note you don't say 'foreign' property but 'enemy' property. Considering you believed the U.S. to be the South's enemy from the very beginning no wonder the South resorted to war.
the STATE of SC/the CSA was well within their RIGHTS as citizens to attempt to remove FOREIGN TROOPS from their country, after they had requested than the USA remove them.
How else were they going to steal the property unless they got the owners out of it?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.