Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

April 12, 1861 The War Between The States Begins!
Civil War.com ^ | Unknown | Unknown

Posted on 04/12/2007 9:34:54 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260 ... 901-909 next last
To: southlake_hoosier
Question and not clear on:
when and how did the confederate states change from Democrats to Republicans?
221 posted on 04/12/2007 1:55:59 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* ?I love you guys?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861; Tokra
That fort was no LONGER Federal Property as of Dec 1860.

Based on what rule of law?

222 posted on 04/12/2007 1:56:12 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 205 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861
That fort was no LONGER Federal Property as of Dec 1860. Therefore you are wrong.

Attempted theft does not changge ownership. Therefore you are wrong. The government of the State of South Carolina ceded all claims, both public and private, on the site of Sumter to the Federal Government long before the war. They had no jurisdiction or claim on it.

223 posted on 04/12/2007 1:58:42 PM PDT by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 205 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
Scalia dissented; he did not vote with the plurality becuase it gave too great of powers to the President.

Incidentally, Scalia, in his dissent, goes on--at length--about how the power to suspend the writ of habeas corpus rests solely with the legislature.

224 posted on 04/12/2007 1:58:42 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 219 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861
That fort was no LONGER Federal Property as of Dec 1860.

What. Did is miss the deed transfer? How much did the Confederacy pay for that bit of Federal property?

Or are you saying it was no longer Federal property just because you say so, or some clowns in Charleston said so?

If that's the case, I declare here and now that Fort Hood and Lackland AFB (along with all those really cool big-boy toys on those bases) now belong to me!

You hear me --- they are all mine now, so keep your grubby mitts off! -

Hmmmm. What else can I just declare to be mine? Maybe that government plant up in Amarillo that makes the really big firecrackers....

225 posted on 04/12/2007 1:59:45 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 205 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861
But they weren’t. They were in the Confederate States of America.

There was no such nation.

226 posted on 04/12/2007 2:00:56 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 215 | View Replies]

To: Publius Valerius
I find it interesting that for the entire history of the English common law, the executive had no authority to suspend the writ (it was a power beyond even the King), the Constitution explicitly charges Congress, not the President, with the power to suspend the writ, and that every single time the issue has been before a federal court, the court has held that the President has no such power, yet, despite all this, you still argue that it is lawful for the President to suspend the writ.

I find your statement even more interesting given the fact that: 1. it is NOT explicitly stated in the Constitution, and 2. the matter has never come before the Supreme Court. Other than that you statement comes fairly close to being accurate.

227 posted on 04/12/2007 2:03:30 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 206 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861

This is a little off subject, but my son is writing is college final term paper on federalism and states rights. He’s found a lot of references from the past (such as The Federalist), but if anyone knows of any good websites or authors discussing this, I would appreciate it.


228 posted on 04/12/2007 2:05:11 PM PDT by chile
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
Other than that you statement comes fairly close to being accurate.

It is indeed accurate that throughout the history of the civilized world, the Executive has not had the power to unilaterally suspend the writ of habeas corpus.

I am very pleased that you've managed to admit this stubborn fact. Perhaps now you will be able to come to the realization that the President does not have greater powers than even a King.

229 posted on 04/12/2007 2:06:26 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies]

To: southlake_hoosier
YEP.

it has "something to do with" 92 members of MY family being raped/robbed/tortured/murdered by DAMNyankee cavalry during a bloody, 4-day drunken orgy ,as if they were NOT humans, just because they were "other than white persons".

the DYs were REALLY good at committing ATROCITIES, if you happened to be Asian, Black, Catholic, Jewish, Indian, Latino Quaker and/or "the poorest of the poor".

the TRUTH is that NOBODY in the union "high command" CARED about "people that that", so the troops VICTIMIZED them with pleasure.

i've often thought it ironic that the same "crusaders against human bondage" were the same war criminals, who slaughtered the "minorities" with gleeful abandon. in all too many cases the ONLY thing the invaders FREED the slaves from was being ALIVE!

free dixie,sw

230 posted on 04/12/2007 2:21:02 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: meandog
and the GENERAL did this when/where????

a DOCUMENTED PRIMARY SOURCE, please OR you could admit that you are plain LYING.

there's NOT a single bit of truth in your post.

free dixie,sw

231 posted on 04/12/2007 2:23:45 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Non-Sequitur
P.S.:

I further note, as if the issue needed any additional explanation, that in Federalist 84, Hamilton describes the writ of habeas corpus as an adoption of the common law of Great Britain:

"[I]t contains in the body of it various provisions in favour of particular privileges and rights, which in the constitution adopts in their full extent the common and statute law of Great-Britain, by which many other rights not expressed in it are equally secured."

Hamilton then goes on to ennumerate certain provisions by way of example, including the writ of habeas corpus:

"The establishment of the writ of habeas corpus, the prohibition of ex post facto laws, and of TITLES OF NOBILITY, to which we have no corresponding provisions in our constitution, are perhaps greater securities to liberty and republicanism than any it contains....[T]he practice of arbitrary imprisonments have been in all ages the favourite and most formidable instruments of tyranny."

Given that only Parliament can suspend the writ of habeas corpus, it seems strange indeed that the Constitution, which Hamilton noted was adopting English common law, would vest with the President a power that was unavailable to the Crown. Weird.

232 posted on 04/12/2007 2:27:44 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 227 | View Replies]

To: cyborg; All
ACTUALLY, the GENERAL never looked like that. that drawing is VERY complimentary to him.

"the Boss" was almost "hard on the eyes". he was short, fat,narrow shouldered, dumpy, bowlegged & "of a certain age".

he is a CLASSIC CASE of you "can't tell a book by its cover"!!!

fyi, he was TOO POOR to buy a horse, so he borrowed a "good, young red mule" from a cousin & rode her throughout the WBTS.

he also was too poor to buy a CSA officer's uniform (those fancy gray uniforms were VERY expensive.), so he pinned his rank on whatever old clothes that he happened to be wearing.

free dixie,sw

233 posted on 04/12/2007 2:31:01 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 55 | View Replies]

To: since 1854
how about "locking up" over 500 MD civilians in a DUNGEON at Ft McHenry,with neither cause/court order/lawful authority/warrant/crime/trial???

does that VIOLATE the Constitution, in your opinion???

free dixie,sw

234 posted on 04/12/2007 2:33:53 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Verginius Rufus
nobody knows the answer to that DUMB/pointLESS question.

free dixie,sw

235 posted on 04/12/2007 2:35:27 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: PeterFinn
EXACTLY!

free dixie,sw

236 posted on 04/12/2007 2:37:07 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 121 | View Replies]

To: Tokra
fyi, Canadians & Mexicans ARE Americans, though they are NOT & never have been US citizens.

didn't you learn ANYTHING in geography???

free dixie,sw

237 posted on 04/12/2007 2:39:46 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 151 | View Replies]

To: TexConfederate1861

“Rape” is only immoral to some.


238 posted on 04/12/2007 2:40:18 PM PDT by Texas_shutterbug
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 214 | View Replies]

To: Tokra
I live in the Midwest - I see more Gore votes in the South than I do in my part of the country

Well, that may be true but please remember that Gore won ZERO electoral votes in the South (including his home state of TN, thank the Lord).

239 posted on 04/12/2007 2:40:54 PM PDT by Marathoner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 168 | View Replies]

To: metesky
lincoln could do those criminal acts in precisely the same way a person can rob a bank. they CAN do those acts, but they should NOT, as BOTH are UNlawful.

free dixie,sw

240 posted on 04/12/2007 2:41:56 PM PDT by stand watie ("Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God." - T. Jefferson, 1804)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 152 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 201-220221-240241-260 ... 901-909 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson